Wasnt this date way before the idea of a dual-purpose stadium was mooted? I'm not 100% but wasnt this before Whelan even got involved with Wigan RLFC? If both answers are "Yes", then it suggests to me that he was sorting out a football ground, and only got the rugby in on the act once he'd bought the club for a song from Robinson.

May well be. I have asked for ALL planning docs relating to the JJB to make sure.

As an aside,, I have been to walkabout tonight, and started chatting to one of the groundsmen from the JJB. He told me it takes no more than 4 hours to turnaround the ground and the concourse.

They groundsmen were EXPECTING to work to turn the ground around last week, but were told they were not needed!

What a f[iu[/icking joke.

BTW, you are now called Detective D.

I think all that does is confirm what everyone suspected. Uncle Dave is an @rsewipe.

Very good!

trust you!

by the way, great work donna!

Any more 'news' Donna?

Not as yet - I have a few more irons in the fire tho.

Donna, may I ask you an off topic question?

Do modern lawyers study Jurisprudence, and is it compulsory?

I am an old fart who is just curious

Hoofer

I asked Brian Simpson MEP Wigan a few questions regarding the JJB stadium and these are the answers from the Chief Exec at Wigan Council


These are the true facts of the JJB from planning stage to ownership
The Council owns the land The Council granted a 99 year lease to Wigan Football Company LTD(Trading as the JJB stadium)for the use of the at Robin Park comprising the JJB Stadium and Surrounds from the 4th August 1999.The lease remains in place and specifies that the Stadium be made available for all the home fixtures of Wigan Athletic Football Club LTD and Wigan Football Club(Wigan Warriors)
Who owns the Stadium
85%of the shares of Wigan Football Company LTD are owned by Whelco Holdings [a company controlled by Dave whelan and his family]and 15%by the Council. The Council has the wright to to appoint a Director-currently David Smith,executive Director of Business Support Services,although the Chairman of the Board Mr Whelan has yet to call a formal meeting of the directors and takes all the key decisions
Two 25 year licenses were granted by Wigan Football Company LTD to Wigan Athletic FC and to Wigan Football Club LTD.Both clubs are recquired to work with their respective governing bodies to ensure that there is no clash of fixtures.The agreement with the clubs provides that "The Company [ie the stadium company ]shall be entitled in its absolute discretion in the event of a conflict of fixtures whether the Club shall be entitled to use the Stadium on any particular day"
Planning application
The planning permission was granted for a 25.000 seater stadium ,carparks and ancillary features.There are no specific conditions in the grant of the planning application that refer to dual use.In the committe report reference is made to to then plan to bring OrrellRUFC and Wigan Athletic to the new stadium .Subsequently plans changed ,but this did not require a revised planning application.
Public access to planning application
The application was conducted in Public
Debates for commercial parts of the transaction were held in private ,but the minutes recording of the decisions were made public.District Audit [the councils external auditors ]and the Valuation Office Agency were involved in independently scrutinising and verifing financial and valuation aspects of the transactions.
How was the Stadium funded
Whelco Holdings provided the initial £25.5 milion to construct the Stadium and Whelco has provided a further £6 million in loan capitol to undertake further works suach as the hospitality facilities in the North,East and South stands .English partnership provided grant funding of some £990.000 to relocate the storm water tanks located under what what is now the East Stand of the stadium to their present position between the canal and the River Douglas .No Council money was provided.

Now the facts are in the public domain the highlighted ones seem relevent to the on going partnreship of Wigan Athletic and Wigan Warriors and IMO its time for DW and IL to sit round the table and discuss along with the FA and RL.In this day and age with all the technology and a bit of give and take from both parties to achieve this.

I have also got a copy of this letter from Brian and asked a few more questions on its contents that he has forwarded back to the Chief exec of the council. Jaws you missed the bit that I have highlighted in bold, what it actually states is that the conflict will arise on any particular matchday. IMO the day before or the day after isn't any particular match day.

It has cleared up a lot of queries I had.