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Quote: Bilko "Yawn of a match on Sky Tonight.
Another example of what a fantastic league this is! Boring is an understatement.

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Quote: Conroy "This is the most competitive SL ever. We will beat tha Aussies at the end of the season. Simple.'"


Your right!

Eddie & Stevo told us so!

Did you see the HYPE before the France Match!!!!!!! it was amazing!!!!!

Phil Clarke was almost cringing with embarrassment after the game when Eddie & O'Connor were Bigging up that performance!!!!!

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God forbid we had to go Down Under and play & 12/15 game tour like we used to!

Just imagine how "Tired" and fatigued the players of SDL! would be then!

I mean they already play about 32/34 matches in a season now whilst getting substituted 4 times a game!!!!!!!!

I don't know how it's possible when they are so fit & strong & more proffesional than they used to be!

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Quote: Jukesays "Your right!

Eddie & Stevo told us so!

Did you see the HYPE before the France Match!!!!!!! it was amazing!!!!!

Phil Clarke was almost cringing with embarrassment after the game when Eddie & O'Connor were Bigging up that performance!!!!!


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Quote: Jukesays "I'll tell you what's going on, you don't like what your seeing so you start to throw insults to cover up. '"

Not at all. I’m perfectly comfortable with my reasoning. It is you who appears to be leaking steam out of your joints.
Quote: Jukesays "FWIW I was trying to point out that you said why do I not learn to "Use the Quote Button!"
I was pointing out that if I did it would not have shown what you were replying too! Hence I modified it!
Is that ok???? Simple enough for you????? Do you want a Diagram????? '"

No - it’s dead easy. Hit the quote button and bracket what you want to quote with [QU0TE][/UNQU0TE) – Replace the zeroes with O.

Quote: Jukesays "And Perhaps, Just perhaps, Your one of the Modern Sky Generation who are Brain Washed into believing the Hype that SKY feed you! '"

Not me, Guv. I have very little time for SKY’s coverage. Eddie is tolerable as a front man, but Stevo demonstrates all the tactical awareness of a liver. It’s harmful to the game because it spawns people who populate threads such as these spouting nonsense about how things were better in the Owwul’d day. If posters possess not so much as a smidgeon of tactical understanding how can they claim such?

Quote: Jukesays "FWIW I am not under rating the players of today or over rating the players of yester year, I am saying that the Quality on show, in comparison to the rest of the RL world i.e Australia has fallen furhter behind in the last 6/7 years in Comparison to where the leading Clubs/Countries are going! '"

The reason we have fallen behind is as I’ve posted earlier. Since the inception of SL the Australians have worked far harder than us at grass roots level. Consequently they produce a proportionally higher number of good players than they did ten years ago. The salary cap is not the problem. It’s the amount of raw materials the Aussies get to draw upon. But there are plenty of hugely talented kids coming through at the moment. Or are Mossop, Tomkins, Eastmond, Wheeler, Lomax, Lawrence et al as inferior as some in this thread appear to claim?

Quote: Jukesays "That still managed to get closer to the Australians than any of the SDL players of today!
And better than anything this country has produced in the last 15/20 years! '"

Gregory was part of a team that defeated Australia in Australia. So was Gareth Ellis. I’m struggling to see the apparent difference.

Quote: Jukesays "Up to you but I know for a fact that He,Laurie Daley & Benny Elias over about 3hours of RL Chat basically told us that the shower of poop we called the England team over in Oz Had No Balls!
They wanted to know where the "Fight" & the "Mongrel" of the English had gone and what had happened to the players who stood up to them 15 years earlier!
I dont know If you did interview Gordon Tallis or not but if you did why didn't you ask him why KFC didn't have the stomach for a fight against the Aussies & kiwis for 90% of his career!
What do I think of KFC??? Same as You think of Gregory! Best of a Bad Bunch IMO but at least Gregory had the stomach for a Battle! '"

I interviewed Tallis and a number of other Kangaroos on the RLFANS press ticket. But I don’t get it – I’m supposed to think Betts is a world beater because an Australian Test international says he’s the mutt’s nuts, but when I offer the same evidence it’s tossed into the round filing cabinet like a page three calendar on chief exec inspection day. Weird.

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And What exactly did he achieve! '"

Oh, come on! Senior might be agricultural, but he’s played some blinders for GB. Were you not at the JJB the night he tore down the left flank a number of times?

Quote: Jukesays "I suppose Melbourne 92 doesn't count then??? '"

You must be joking.

Quote: Jukesays "You asked for examples of World class players of the early to mid 90's, I included Farrell as that's what he was!'"

What on earth are you smoking? Farrell was never a world class player in the early to mid 90s. He had ONE decent series against Australia. His last.
Quote: Jukesays "Graham & Burgess easily as Talented! It's time you called it a day! '"

If you’re seriously claiming Graham and Burgess aren’t world class players there’s no point debating with you. I just wish you’d told me you are nuts at the start of this post so I could have saved the effort.

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Quote: Jukesays "Oh and BTW, Are you really as big of a Kn0b that you come across as???
Wouldn't you like to know, sweet cheeks.

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Super League is getting better and better, standards are going through the roof.

The competition is now truly equal, the salary cap has ensured that any team can beat any other.

Have you got your tickets for the Saints / Leeds Grand Final yet?

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The Communist Cap - dragging down success and aspiration to the levels of those who cba.:



Quote: Jukesays "

I can get 26 drunks out of the Labour club and have a competitive Game!

It doesnt make them any Good!
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That is exactly the point, and one which the pro CC lot never answer.

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Quote: Mugwump "Not at all. I’m perfectly comfortable with my reasoning. It is you who appears to be leaking steam out of your joints.

Not Steaming, just actually wondering if this is some kind of Beadles about About Wind up??

No - it’s dead easy. Hit the quote button and bracket what you want to quote with [QU0TE][/UNQU0TE) – Replace the zeroes with O.

Have you ever Kissed a Girl???


Not me, Guv. I have very little time for SKY’s coverage. Eddie is tolerable as a front man, but Stevo demonstrates all the tactical awareness of a liver. It’s harmful to the game because it spawns people who populate threads such as these spouting nonsense about how things were better in the Owwul’d day. If posters possess not so much as a smidgeon of tactical understanding how can they claim such?

AAAHHH!
I get it! You turned round the argument there didn't you??
To try and make it it is me that listens to the SKY propaganda whilst you are the font of all tactical knowledge!!!!!
Poor attempt, and fwiw to simply say that everything in the old days was rubbish because everyhting today is faster/stronger/fitter etc is the worst kind of argument you could make.
That basically means in 20 years time whatever we are being served up to us will be better than what were watching today because inevitably they will be fitter/faster/stronger etc.



The reason we have fallen behind is as I’ve posted earlier. Since the inception of SL the Australians have worked far harder than us at grass roots level. Consequently they produce a proportionally higher number of good players than they did ten years ago. The salary cap is not the problem. It’s the amount of raw materials the Aussies get to draw upon. But there are plenty of hugely talented kids coming through at the moment. Or are Mossop, Tomkins, Eastmond, Wheeler, Lomax, Lawrence et al as inferior as some in this thread appear to claim?

I don't disagree too much, however the salary cap, in it's current format (As I do agree that a salary cap is required in some format) provides little incentive for players to stay in RL and coupled with the small mindedness of the RFL and their disjointed approach to Grass roots rugby in this country means that we are not maximising the Youth that potentially could play the game or in fact enticing any other youth to play the game that could increase numbers.
As for the naming of some individual youngsters to demonstrate the Class of player coming through I hardly think the inclusion of 5 or 6 youngsters that aren't even 1st choice 1st team material yet is a hardly Proof that the SDL is raising in standard!
Especially as their counterparts in Australia & of yesteryear were/are 1st team & International material at the same age!



Gregory was part of a team that defeated Australia in Australia. So was Gareth Ellis. I’m struggling to see the apparent difference.

FWIW I think Gareth Ellis is close to being a World Class player, as close as any of the current crop anyway.
Gregory was a World Class player, better than anything this country has produced for the 15/20 years since.
Any disagreement???
You were the one ridiculing Gregory's achievements! Saying he was the best of a bunch of Nobody's!
Try telling that to Hanley/Schofield/Edwards/Davies etc etc as previously posted!

Oh and BTW he didn't do too bad when he came up against the Sterlings & Langers etc either!
Much More than can be said for our current Half backs!



I interviewed Tallis and a number of other Kangaroos on the RLFANS press ticket. But I don’t get it – I’m supposed to think Betts is a world beater because an Australian Test international says he’s the mutt’s nuts, but when I offer the same evidence it’s tossed into the round filing cabinet like a page three calendar on chief exec inspection day. Weird.

And I'm supposed to think that because you interviewed a player who said Cunningham produced the best display that he had ever had against him I'm supposed to think that everything's rosey in the SDL!
FWIW I belive Cunningham can never go down as a "Great" of the GB game due to his lack of achievements at international level, SL Level yes!
But seeing as SDL Hasn't produced anyone that is remotely near as good as KFC in the last 10 years and still hasn't whilst he's almost so far over the hill compared to his prime of 5/6/7 years ago it's untrue is again hardly a propaganda tool for SDL!


Oh, come on! Senior might be agricultural, but he’s played some blinders for GB. Were you not at the JJB the night he tore down the left flank a number of times?

Yes I was, I was also there when varying players had blinders against Australia, but that doesn't make them better than any of their couterparts in total.
Fair play to Senior, he maximised the most of his potential and was a player I would have wanted Wigan to sign in 99 and felt pangs of regret that we didn't ever since However again, at 30+ something and we can't find anyone better proves that SDL isn't increasing in quality it's staganting!



You must be joking.

I don't see why???


What on earth are you smoking? Farrell was never a world class player in the early to mid 90s. He had ONE decent series against Australia. His last.

Well IMO he had achieved EVERYTHING & MORE than Graham & Burgess have by the same Age yeet you feel free to call them World Class and Farrell not!
Ridiculous!

Age of 21 Farrell had 5 league titals, 3 CC, A WCC beating the one of if not the best Aussie club sides of the last 25 years on their Home soil!
Played for GB at 17/18 against a "Full Stength"Kiwi team played against and beat the aussies on a couple of occasions and captained the team at 20/21!


If you’re seriously claiming Graham and Burgess aren’t world class players there’s no point debating with you. I just wish you’d told me you are nuts at the start of this post so I could have saved the effort.'"


And now Iv'e figured out that your just a Think's he knows it all I won't waste my time either!

I think Graham & Burgess are Very Good/ Excellent SL Players, I think bith have much to prove against the Very Best at international level before we call them "World Class"!


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Quote: XBrettKennyX "That is exactly the point, and one which the pro CC lot never answer.'"


While i feel that i don't agree with all you say. Pro cap supporters don't really make any good cases in its support... the bigger clubs are running to the max...and the smaller clubs making do with what they can pick up from the bigger clubs. would be the same with or without the cap...

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Nothing more needs to be added, to even suggest that Wellens is superior to Radlinski you are clearly talking b*llocks. Temerity, indeed icon_smile.gif

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Which ever way you look at it RL hasn't made the significant increases on and off the pitch that it needs to.

Were defiantly not any closer to a test series win than we were before and many are arguing were actually further behind. The fitness levels of the players have greatly increased and we have a better marketed comp but have the skill levels increased as much as they should have done? Have we yet to produce a GB player to rival Hanley, Edwards, Offiah or Robinson? Not imo

The most worrying aspect should be when we look at the gains other sports have made in the past ten years.

Football has increased its popularity world wide and now easily reaches homes in Asia and the middle east. The players it’s producing like Kaka, Ronaldo, Rooney, Gerrard, Torres etc are just as good if not better than the players that have come before them. The game has risen to new levels in the past decade.

Rugby union sadly for us tho has made the greatest advancement in the past decade. Players are now as equally as fit as those in RL and some are just as skill full. It’s had the vision to look at sports such as RL, football and the NFL and use the best out of each bit to improve with new coaches, set ups, playoffs, marketing, organisations and international setups.

It’s got a very strong international game where games are close and not as predictable as say England vs Aus in RL. There is no doubt that RU is a much more skill full, faster and popular game than it was a decade ago and what’s really scary is it still got a long, long way to go as well. RU in another ten years time will, imo, be as far away from what we see today as today’s game is away from the amateur set up a few years back. Can we say the same about RL?

If RL doesn’t soon start to make significant advances it may well be far too late for it to make the major impact that it deserves.

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boring to watch these days, and ive watched since bostons era.

i know they have brought in rules to cut out dirty play and safeguard players, but thats whats missing in my opinion.

there used to be nothing like a good punch up to get the crowd and team fired up ......hardly ever see it these days. icon_sad.gif

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Quote: thepriestman85 "Rugby union sadly for us tho has made the greatest advancement in the past decade.

It’s got a very strong international game where games are close and not as predictable as say England vs Aus in RL. '"


Did you know there are less than 80 professional rugby union players in Australia? Did you also know that there is no national rugby union league competition in Australia?

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Quote: McClennan "Did you know there are less than 80 professional rugby union players in Australia? Did you also know that there is no national rugby union league competition in Australia?'"


Whats your point?

They have a super 14 team which included 5 NZ teams and 5 SA teams? RL has one comp with 15 aussie teams and 1 NZ team maybe if it was spread around a little we may not have such a weak international game.

The super 14 league gives way to a tri nations comp which is far, far more competitive than than any RL international comp.

Are you honestly trying to say that RU hasn’t made larger strides over the past 10 years than RL?

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Quote: wigan pie man "boring to watch these days, and ive watched since bostons era.

i know they have brought in rules to cut out dirty play and safeguard players, but thats whats missing in my opinion.

there used to be nothing like a good punch up to get the crowd and team fired up ......hardly ever see it these days.
I agree.

Nobody likes cheap shots but you really cannot beat a good scrap. The Saints v Leeds game at the start of the year was a good example of a game that made the hairs on the back of your neck because of the tension the scraps and big hits caused.

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