Like Neil Ferguson?

From the BBC. Is it just another cold or flu? Doesn’t read so to me. And these figures would have been much worse without lockdowns, vaccinations, masks etc.

According to the Office for National Statistics, approximately 665,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2021.

That is nearly 25,000 fewer than the year before, but still about 10% higher than the average seen in the five years before the pandemic.

That “excess” of deaths was the second highest figure since World War Two (after 2020).

Comparing last year’s figures to the five years before the pandemic takes account of the changes in population size, age and healthcare that would otherwise make it impossible to compare the raw numbers from the 2020s with those from, say, the 1970s.

The last two years have been exceptional by historical standards. Death rates normally fall over time, so any increase is unusual, but this change does not return us to the death rates of WW2.

During this pandemic i have carried around a pocket full of large quartz crystals, and pieces of obsidian a type of glass like lava to protect me...

I throw them at Anti-Vaxxers...

I don’t think anyone would argue that COVID has been a simple cold (conspiracy theorists excepted). But it will become a normal winter illness to manage. That’s just how these things work.

With regards to when it’s officially become endemic, I use Nicola Sturgeon as my measuring tool. She’s anti-UK and anti-Boris, and she’s been dead against the speed at which we’re opening up and dropping restrictions. The fact that she’s just announced that Scots should accept it’s becoming endemic suggests to me it’s pretty much done and dusted and we’re all moving on. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the Six Nations, whatever that is.

Hopefully this season will go nice and smoothly now, but respectfully towards those who are still anxious.

Quiet in here since some facts have been posted

nah, its just all the s are too ill to post, as they are in bed with omicron

In bed? I thought it was ICU?

You were quiet on here when asked some pertinent questions which you have still not answered!

Here's some facts about somebody you and others, including the government, relied on for empirical evidence.

'[Imperial College epidemiologist Neil] Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . .

In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.

In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.

Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results.

So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?'

They are all furiously youtubing discredited doctors for some more misinformation to try and refute what you posted

Are you referring to Professor Neil Ferguson? Why has he not had is Twitter account suspended?

Where is the scientific evidence to support your claim?

Anyhow, no mileage in trying to get behind individuals’ predictions of infections/deaths as they are all based upon a myriad of variables and ‘what ifs’, and as we all know IFmy aunty had boll0xs, she’d be my uncle….

FACTS are £150k+ deaths in the UK (I think we all agree this is an unacceptably high number, nless you are some kind of psychopath]) and without a vaccine, this figure would be much higher ….
Without vaccines we’d be in a situation like in the early days, when in China people were literally dying in the street, and in Italy carehome residents were abandoned by carers when the virus ripped through, etc