Cas I can't comment on I was in Cuba but I've seen the other games and I certainly can't think of 'many' other instances of stupid play.

If the lad isn't Wigan quality then there's about 25 lads in our squad that should be shi**ing themselves.

He has 2 areas to work on IMO and they are 1) His general discipline. He can't be an angel in the position and manner he plays but like pointed out penalties for back chat are a sin and 2) to not switch off in defence and start lazily grabbing at people. His defence has been good in the main but when he gets tired he loses concentration.

His attack is immense and with a little work on those 2 areas he'll be one of the very best backrowers in world rugby league. To be truthful he was before his ban and is getting back to that level now.

He gave away more penalties per game last season than ever. He's a great player though, penalties aside.

if hock isnt "wigan quality".. out of interest who is???

Some penalties are 'sensible ones' where it's vital that the momentum of the opposition is stopped because the defence has been constantly on the back foot.

A quick look at last years penalty counts has the following players in the top 25 for penalties given away; Witt, JJB, Henderson, Westwood, Chris Bailey, Hoffman, Holdsworth, Carvell, Buderus, Sinfield, Tickle, Morrison.

Generally hard working and very experienced players. I can't remember too many penalties from O'Loughlin where the opposition has scored immediately after.

Hock, on the other hand, gives away silly penalties, but he had managed to cut them out of his game somewhat in 2009, so there's the possibility that he can do the same again as the season goes on.

Even experienced players like Westwood give away daft penalties though, so Hock isn't too bad as long as he has a big influence when attacking.

I can't believe anybody thinks hock is not Wigan quality. He's awesome and really gets into the ribs of opposition forwards. He'd get in the starting 13 in and club in SL and we're lucky he's playing for us and not against us!

He's been working on that since we signed him 10+ years ago and a few games into his comeback (after being banned for idiotically taking cocaine) he gets banned for 5 games taking him out of our playoff run in. What's the point of an occasionally world class player not playing? He's an idiot and not good enough for Wigan.

Westwood for one.

Quote: Suzy Banyon "Westwood for one.'" Your problem with Hock is his indiscipline, yet Westwood has conceded only 1 penalty less than Gareth, with 1 less game played. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

Quote: Suzy Banyon "Westwood for one.'" Your problem with Hock is his indiscipline, yet Westwood has conceded only 1 penalty less than Gareth, with 1 less game played. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

Your opinion and your entitled to that although the vast majority would disagree.

My last word on the subject is that I'm made up Gaz Hock is playing at Wigan and IMO playing very well.

westwoods another penalty machine.....if he wasnt such a workhorse he wouldnt even make the wire side

They never show the right context when they don't suit a persons opinion

Hock is class, brainless but class.