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| Quote St pete="St pete"I held nothing against Connolly, he went for the money, its his job and got to get what he can as its a short career.
Gaz Hock was treated like the saviour had returned when he'd returned from at two years drug ban, it was like the hero had returned.
He was still a great lad when he gouged somebody, pushed the ref, headbutted LMS and all the other poor behaviour he did on the field and off.
The crazy thing is, you lot 100% backed his shocking behaviour, especially the gouging but the second he wants more money, you lot think he's the devil.
He's a horrible horrible person and your better off without him, he brings the game down with his shocking behaviour.'"
1/10 must try harder.
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| Quote Wigan Peer="Wigan Peer"I don't know why i made your posts visible, and will mute them again. To say that Hock was welcomed back as a saviour, or a hero is complete garbage.'"
Quote Wigan Peer="St pete"I held nothing against Connolly, he went for the money, its his job and got to get what he can as its a short career.
Gaz Hock was treated like the saviour had returned when he'd returned from at two years drug ban, it was like the hero had returned.
He was still a great lad when he gouged somebody, pushed the ref, headbutted LMS and all the other poor behaviour he did on the field and off.
The crazy thing is, you lot 100% backed his shocking behaviour, especially the gouging but the second he wants more money, you lot think he's the devil.
He's a horrible horrible person and your better off without him, he brings the game down with his shocking behaviour.'"
Don't generally agree with Saints fans but in all honesty hes pretty much on the money! 90% of our fans have been obsessed with Hock for a long time and the Hock love in with half of them have is a joke!
It was pathetic when he returned from his drugs ban and got a standing ovation - if thats not treating like a hero then what is - Still think til today thats a joke and anyone who did this was pathetic IMO!
Add to that all the wiganers who have raved 'best 2nd row in SL / Best in the world' Rubbish for years when he's nothing but!
Fact is for every bit of brilliance hock ever did, he cancelled it out with stupid errors, daft offloads and giving away penalties. If anything he's only ever been an average SR who, on his day, had the ability to perform at a high level. The demi-god treatement he's receievd from some of our fans for years is a joke and at least now some have woken up and smelt the coffee!
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Quote Cruncher="Vectrabeast"The bit quoted is exactly the reason why I won't continue an adult conversation with you'"
Or alternatively, you haven't got a single fact with which to support your ridiculous assertions.'"
I'm completely comfortable with you believing that
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| Quote Vectrabeast="Vectrabeast"I'm completely comfortable with you believing that'"
Of course you are. You've no other option.
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| Quote leytherjay="leytherjay"Best forward in SL by a long way IMO.......big loss and Widnes have got a cracking player.'"
He's a handy player a good one, but best forward in SL?
Before his ban, he did not prevent Wigan flirting with relegation, it took the best forward in SL at the time to turn that around, along with Noble.
He has been playing in one of the best Wigan sides for a good 10 years, so he is going to look good, and I do think he is a good player.
But his true test will be at Widnes, if he still shows up and does the hard work, then all power to him. However, at Wigan (and I don't watch every match they play) , but he seamed to come on after the hard yards where done, by the rest of a quality pack.
I recall when we played Warrington last season, Sia came on after 20 minutes and totally ripped into Warrington, he was the talk of the game afterwards. Yet the other players had to soak up alot of hits for him to be able to do that. When Sia plays from the start, he is still effective and puts in big hits, but it's not as easy to walk through people.
Best in SL I think you could argue with Ellis, Manu etc, there are alot of candidates out there for best SR, never mind best Forward?
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Of course you are. You've no other option.'"
I have other options, of course I do. Just none that I intend to make use of just to please some on here (namely the bitter ones that haven't got a clue what has gone on and are just dying to know so spend all their time dismissing any other peoples opinions as if it didn't come from them it can't possibly be true).................
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"He's a handy player a good one, but best forward in SL?
Before his ban, he did not prevent Wigan flirting with relegation, it took the best forward in SL at the time to turn that around, along with Noble.
He has been playing in one of the best Wigan sides for a good 10 years, so he is going to look good, and I do think he is a good player.
But his true test will be at Widnes, if he still shows up and does the hard work, then all power to him. However, at Wigan (and I don't watch every match they play) , but he seamed to come on after the hard yards where done, by the rest of a quality pack.
I recall when we played Warrington last season, Sia came on after 20 minutes and totally ripped into Warrington, he was the talk of the game afterwards. Yet the other players had to soak up alot of hits for him to be able to do that. When Sia plays from the start, he is still effective and puts in big hits, but it's not as easy to walk through people.
Best in SL I think you could argue with Ellis, Manu etc, there are alot of candidates out there for best SR, never mind best Forward?'"
Last year in my opinion Hock was the best forward in SL, in years gone by definitely not as you rightly say and this season maybe not with poorer players round him and Ellis coming to SL. Last year only Westwood ran him close IMO.
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| Quote Vectrabeast="Vectrabeast"I have other options, of course I do. Just none that I intend to make use of just to please some on here (namely the bitter ones that haven't got a clue what has gone on and are just dying to know so spend all their time dismissing any other peoples opinions as if it didn't come from them it can't possibly be true).................'"
So these "rumours" aren't just rumours any more? They are "FACT"?
Forgive me for waiting to see some proof before I believe it.
And isn't the same in reverse true?
Aren't 1 or 2 posters who are saying this rumour is true spending all their time dismissing other people's opinions because they haven't got a clue what has gone and in truth only believing what they've been told which is a "rumour"?
Aren't they being argumentative by continually defending these rumours without actually coming up with one shred of evidence to explain to others why they should believe them?
As far as I can see that makes them the argumentative ones as they are the ones continually defending a situation/someone whilst not explaining why?
We all know your stance on the situation and as you continually like to tell everyone those defending hock know more than everyone else.
Why don't you guys sleep well safe in the knowledge that you know the truth and let everyone else get on with it?
If as you say the club crumbles and other players leave etc you can come back really smug and smile to yourself safe in the knowledge that it was everyone else living in fantasy cuckoo land.
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I've heard the rumours building over many many months as well. I've also heard other ones about hocks "social" circles being a problem again and again. Which ones do I believe?
I too wouldn't be naming names and posting or PMing people about them but I also wouldn't be coming on here telling people that "I know something that you don't" when I couldn't back it up with any evidence!
If they are true then yeah I do have a touch of sympathy, but to be honest not nearly enough to make me question the clubs decision to get rid.
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| Quote Vectrabeast="Vectrabeast"I have other options, of course I do. Just none that I intend to make use of just to please some on here (namely the bitter ones that haven't got a clue what has gone on and are just dying to know so spend all their time dismissing any other peoples opinions as if it didn't come from them it can't possibly be true).................'"
Half a dozen different things have 'gone on', according to various people in your camp. You guys aren't even in agreement with each other about what's happened.
If there is even a shred of truth in what you say, it will come out in due course - but I won't be holding my breath, because every time you guys reiterate your version of events, I hear a different one from someone else.
This idea about bitter people dismissing opinions would hilarious if it wasn't so sad (like you don't do it!), but I'll tell you something, I'm not going to stand back and see one or two posters persistently damaging the Wigan club, whether they intend to or not, by spreading malicious allegations ... purely on the basis that they think they know something because a disgraced player and/or his mates have taken them into confidence.
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| Do Cruncher and Juke believe everything the club says as fact? or could it be the club puts a spin on anything it publishes and sometimes NEVER publishes the truth depending on who is involved.
Yes, chinese whispers does occur but is it not better sometimes to be open and honest and move forward? Surely the truth lies between the chinese whispers and the Wigan forum SS?
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| Quote Fylde_Warrior="Fylde_Warrior"Do Cruncher and Juke believe everything the club says as fact? or could it be the club puts a spin on anything it publishes and sometimes NEVER publishes the truth depending on who is involved.
Yes, chinese whispers does occur but is it not better sometimes to be open and honest and move forward? Surely the truth lies between the chinese whispers and the Wigan forum SS?'"
Yes I'm completely brainwashed
I'm getting help for it, and with some luck one day I too may not believe statements made by a profesional run organisation and in turn will start to believe everything I'm told in the pub or over the Internet!
So if you believe in being open and honest why not ask the posters claiming to be in the know to be open and honest?
After all the lies lance Armstrong as come out with I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually did walk on the moon or not!
Maybe the conspiracy theorists are onto something?
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| My last post on this Hock/Wane issue.
I have on one hand, one of the most damning, detailed statements i have ever read about a sportsman's actions by his club, outlining many issues since he came back from a 2 year ban for using a banned substance.
On the other hand we have unsubstantiated rumour.
Now, we all like a little gossip, but having received a PM from Vectrabeast, i'm still non the wiser, and the PM actually says nothing more than has been alluded to on the forum. As vectrabeast and last Son Of Wigan are now resorting to personal insults, rather than saying ANYTHING of any value, i feel its time to stop asking them for clarification, and leave them to their beliefs. If they have information that you feel is so important that you are prepared to make suggestive posts on a forum about it, you should be prepared to forward said info to the club to take the necessary action.
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