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| Quote: post "It's one thing having the self belief to think you can coach a team but the reality is you need experience. As we found out with Lam, who was learning on the job, the head coaches job at Wigan deserves someone witha bit of experience, it isn't London Broncos cosch where coaches go to learn their trade, Wigan is the pinacle not the training ground. If Peet harbours ambition to become Wigan coach then he needs to go and earn his stripes down at London Broncos and not give it to someone who did well at Westhoughton Lions with all due respect.
We need someone who suits our club and players, we need them to have experience coaching in the top flight at club level and a winner or someone with a better squad could become that winner.
Off the top of my head you are looking at Ian Watson, Daryl Powell, maybe Tony Smith, Steve McNamara (stop giggling at the back), Michael McGuire. Shane Flannagan and bring Kyle with him,
Ideal world money no object it would be Craig Bellamy but we know that would never happen. We need to appoint a coach to suit our team and not just a good coach who is available, we have a lot of good young players who need bringing on and we need to improve the rugby on show, for that reason Wane is out, I seriously used to think Steve McNamara was ths worst coach going but I think he would do well at Wigan now.'"
Like Wane did? Or Madge? Or Graeme West?
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Like Wane did? Or Madge? Or Graeme West?'"
Check mate.
Add in Holbrook too. Oh and that guy called Bellamy (ironically that he wants) who went from an assistant to head coach too.
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "It’s not that simple unless you know someone with odd £20m or so to buy the club and won’t expect the money back in his or her lifetime. That’s why I’m so frustrated and worried what the future holds.
IL in the first 8 years or so of his tenure for me was top class in terms of his management and delivery.
Since then it’s been a torturous decline and we haven’t hit the bottom yet.
Uncle Maurice had great foresight but little or no money. His second stint he almost finished the club off.
I’d love someone with the “front” of Maurice with millions in the bank but that would fantasyland or an impossibility.
Rathbone had little say in the running of the club and Robinson made some poor decisions during his chairmanship so it wasn’t all roses even when we were successful. We lucky to have secured 3 great coaches in 10 years of almost unbroken success enabled by professional dedicated rugby players.'"
If you had read my posting proper, I was not on about what happen after the gang of four took over, but the poor state of the club during the seventies, where finance, signings and success on the field was concerned which led to the club altering the way it was run ie. a board of ten directors replaced by just four which is still the case today.
A current situation which today, is now similar to that of what happen at the end of the seventies both in finance and the playing side of the club where the quality of the squad and coaching staff is concerned.
As far as I am concerned, the time has come for new ownership with more and better investment, and a complete overhaul of the club, especially with the age of of the present owner who now appears to be less involved in the running of the club than what he use to be a while ago.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I’d have him at Wigan in a heartbeat'"
The same Brian McDermott who was Coach of the Rhinos at the time they had a great squad, led by Kevin Sinfield, Jamie Jones Bucannan, Danny MaGuire, Kyle Leulai.
When most of that squad broke up, McDermott was exposed as not being as good a Coach as some supporters seemed to think he was!
Apart from being at Toronto Wolfpack when mainly in the Championship, no other Super League club show any interest in him as being their Coach.
And neither should Wigan!
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "The same Brian McDermott who was Coach of the Rhinos at the time they had a great squad, led by Kevin Sinfield, Jamie Jones Bucannan, Danny MaGuire, Kyle Leulai.
When most of that squad broke up, McDermott was exposed as not being as good a Coach as some supporters seemed to think he was!
Apart from being at Toronto Wolfpack when mainly in the Championship, no other Super League club show any interest in him as being their Coach.
And neither should Wigan!'"
Brian Mac is a proven coach. If you’re suggesting that Leeds team didn’t need coaching you’re delusional. A Leeds team that finished 5th - twice - and won the competition? A Leeds team that, let’s be absolutely realistic here, was gearing up for a generational change. Leeds should have stuck with Brian Mac. I guarantee they’d be far better off than they are.
Plenty of SL teams have shown interest. Salford, Wakey, Cas, Wire, Hull but to name a few but that won’t fit your exceptionally narrow narrative would it?
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Brian Mac is a proven coach. If you’re suggesting that Leeds team didn’t need coaching you’re delusional. A Leeds team that finished 5th - twice - and won the competition? A Leeds team that, let’s be absolutely realistic here, was gearing up for a generational change. Leeds should have stuck with Brian Mac. I guarantee they’d be far better off than they are.
Plenty of SL teams have shown interest. Salford, Wakey, Cas, Wire, Hull but to name a few but that won’t fit your exceptionally narrow narrative would it?'"
Don't feed the troll pal.
A guy who's won multiple trophies isn't good enough, but Peet also isn't the right guy because he's not got any experience.
You can't make it up.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "Don't feed the troll pal.
A guy who's won multiple trophies isn't good enough, but Peet also isn't the right guy because he's not got any experience.
You can't make it up.'"
Ludicrous isn’t it. I honestly despair sometimes at his posts. I’ll try harder not to feed it but it’s soooo hard sometimes!
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| Many Coaches could have coached the great Leeds team of the time it was led by Kevin Sinfield.
When that squad broke up, all started to go downhill like Wigan has in the last couple of seasons or so since the departure of Sean Wane.
McDermott left the club and with the exception of Toronto Wolfpack where he had a bit of success at Championship level, no other Super League club or even Championship club has fallen over backwards to employ him as their Coach, have they
Some supporters need to take the blinkers off where McDermott's period of coaching at Leeds is concerned and also stop trying to ridicule any other supporters whose opinions they do not like and not meet their own "expert" opinions.
No wonder many on this website have stopped posting!
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "Many Coaches could have coached the great Leeds team of the time it was led by Kevin Sinfield.
When that squad broke up, all started to go downhill like Wigan has in the last couple of seasons or so since the departure of Sean Wane.
McDermott left the club and with the exception of Toronto Wolfpack where he had a bit of success at Championship level, no other Super League club or even Championship club has fallen over backwards to employ him as their Coach, have they
Some supporters need to take the blinkers off where McDermott's period of coaching at Leeds is concerned and also stop trying to ridicule any other supporters whose opinions they do not like and not meet their own "expert" opinions.
No wonder many on this website have stopped posting!
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Convenient how you completely ignored the clubs that were in for McDermott. You also conveniently forget the fact Leeds finished FIFTH twice and still won it. By your logic the current Saints team doesn’t need coaching, the Wigan teams of 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2018 didn’t need coaching. Heck even the John Monie (and the rest) Wigan teams didn’t need coaching.
To say other posters need to take their blinkers off coming from you is genuinely the most hypocritical thing I’ve ever read.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Convenient how you completely ignored the clubs that were in for McDermott. You also conveniently forget the fact Leeds finished FIFTH twice and still won it. By your logic the current Saints team doesn’t need coaching, the Wigan teams of 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2018 didn’t need coaching. Heck even the John Monie (and the rest) Wigan teams didn’t need coaching.
To say other posters need to take their blinkers off coming from you is genuinely the most hypocritical thing I’ve ever read.'"
They would have still won whoever was the Coach as their squad at the time they had a lot of success and twice won the Super League from fifth position, was like the St Helens squad of today, the best in the competition with many good players led by a captain in the same mould as O'Loughlin and Roby.
Like it was at Wigan during the first period of Monies tenue as Coach, when he also had squads of many good players and captains like Bell, Farrell, Hanley available to direct operations on the field.
Many Coaches can be successful if they are provided with the right squad of players which has not been the case at Wigan during the last three seasons or so of Lams tenue as Coach and which during the last season has also not been helped by no longer having a good captain like O'Loughlin on the field.
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "They would have still won whoever was the Coach as their squad at the time they had a lot of success and twice won the Super League from fifth position, was like the St Helens squad of today, the best in the competition with many good players led by a captain in the same mould as O'Loughlin and Roby.
Like it was at Wigan during the first period of Monies tenue as Coach, when he also had squads of many good players and captains like Bell, Farrell, Hanley available to direct operations on the field.
Many Coaches can be successful if they are provided with the right squad of players which has not been the case at Wigan during the last three seasons or so of Lams tenue as Coach and which during the last season has also not been helped by no longer having a good captain like O'Loughlin on the field.'"
Rubbish
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| So it’s Lenagans fault we scored the least amount of points per game across the whole league and Leeds won all their titles under McDermott due to the players coaching themselves.
In these hard Covid times every penny counts, so if I were Lenagan I wouldn’t bother with a new coach as clearly they’re pointless.
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| Quote: Ruddy Duck "They would have still won whoever was the Coach as their squad at the time they had a lot of success and twice won the Super League from fifth position, was like the St Helens squad of today, the best in the competition with many good players led by a captain in the same mould as O'Loughlin and Roby.
Like it was at Wigan during the first period of Monies tenue as Coach, when he also had squads of many good players and captains like Bell, Farrell, Hanley available to direct operations on the field.
Many Coaches can be successful if they are provided with the right squad of players which has not been the case at Wigan during the last three seasons or so of Lams tenue as Coach and which during the last season has also not been helped by no longer having a good captain like O'Loughlin on the field.'"
Good lord.
Leeds won the title from 5th in 2011 when we had one of our strongest side in years arguably better than the 2010 side. They repeated that feat in 2012. St Helens and Warrington also had very strong sides. To say they didn’t need coaching is beyond comprehension.
Delusional beyond belief.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Good lord.
Leeds won the title from 5th in 2011 when we had one of our strongest side in years arguably better than the 2010 side. They repeated that feat in 2012. St Helens and Warrington also had very strong sides. To say they didn’t need coaching is beyond comprehension.
Delusional beyond belief.'"
Still not been approached by any Super League club to be their Coach, not even Wakefield and hopefully never Wigan!
Remember, the other Yorkshiremen with reputations to coach Wigan, Maurice Bamford and Brian Noble.
Hardly outstanding, were they!
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| Can not understand why Wigan is always the last club to inform what is going on even Leigh gets more info than us Chester director of Rugby.
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