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Why?

Like you said he's been playing well and he's also been playing 80 mins too. I can't see a reason why he's not got at least another 12 months in him. His form is great & he's not an injury prone player either.

If the club can fit him under the cap, then it's a no brainer from me. Lockers will probably retire, so let's stagger the losses of these two champs over 12 months.

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I hope Lockers gets to sign off on the field with a classic Lockers performance. Be a real shame to see him forced to finish.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "Why?

Like you said he's been playing well and he's also been playing 80 mins too. I can't see a reason why he's not got at least another 12 months in him. His form is great & he's not an injury prone player either.

If the club can fit him under the cap, then it's a no brainer from me. Lockers will probably retire, so let's stagger the losses of these two champs over 12 months.'"


Bob on. He’s playing his best rugby for a while (no coincidence that he’s had most of the kicking taken off him and can concentrate on his strengths) and if there’s room it’s an easy decision. His role will depend on who stays/goes but just to have him around the side makes a difference.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Bob on. He’s playing his best rugby for a while (no coincidence that he’s had most of the kicking taken off him and can concentrate on his strengths) and if there’s room it’s an easy decision. His role will depend on who stays/goes but just to have him around the side makes a difference.'"


If you watch last night's game again you can definitely tell that the fire is still there with Tommy. He was getting stuck in and he's always been an absolute specimen too, so there's no doubts over form or fitness.

There's still plenty of experience in the side, but you just don't throw away a player with 300+ appearances, especially when they are in great form.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "If you watch last night's game again you can definitely tell that the fire is still there with Tommy. He was getting stuck in and he's always been an absolute specimen too, so there's no doubts over form or fitness.

There's still plenty of experience in the side, but you just don't throw away a player with 300+ appearances, especially when they are in great form.'"


I think the ideal scenario is that Hastings stays along with Tommy and Harry Smith takes on a bigger role, with him starting more games and Tommy helping cover Powell and the both halfback positions. If you’re going in to a game that you think will be an all out battle like last Friday against Saints then you always have the option of starting Tommy and keeping Smith back.

The only thing that makes me think both Hastings and Tommy won’t stay is the impending signing of Field. It seems unlikely both will stay if he comes in, especially now French is staying. It should all be one clearer in the next few weeks.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I think the ideal scenario is that Hastings stays along with Tommy and Harry Smith takes on a bigger role, with him starting more games and Tommy helping cover Powell and the both halfback positions. If you’re going in to a game that you think will be an all out battle like last Friday against Saints then you always have the option of starting Tommy and keeping Smith back.

The only thing that makes me think both Hastings and Tommy won’t stay is the impending signing of Field. It seems unlikely both will stay if he comes in, especially now French is staying. It should all be one clearer in the next few weeks.'"


The thing that worries me about the above - it seems all or nothing.

Hastings is really key to this and out him, Field, Tommy & Smith he's the real king pin. He's difference between that been a perfect mix and one with real question marks over it.

We've been (rightly) throwing praise at Tommy, but like you said earlier he's been allowed to concentrate on his strengths. Him going back to being the dominant HB seems like a step back.

Field & Smith could both be either world-class, or not fullfil their potential. No one knows as they've not had a run. I'd be apprehensive if they were both our starting HB's in 2021.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "The thing that worries me about the above - it seems all or nothing.

Hastings is really key to this and out him, Field, Tommy & Smith he's the real king pin. He's difference between that been a perfect mix and one with real question marks over it.

We've been (rightly) throwing praise at Tommy, but like you said earlier he's been allowed to concentrate on his strengths. Him going back to being the dominant HB seems like a step back.

Field & Smith could both be either world-class, or not fullfil their potential. No one knows as they've not had a run. I'd be apprehensive if they were both our starting HB's in 2021.'"


If Hastings leaves then I think the time has come to throw Harry Smith the responsibility of kicking us around the field and organising the side, regardless of who us at the side of him. It’s his game and it plays to his strengths and would allow Field or Leuluai the opportunity to play as a running half.

In truth I’d probably give that responsibility to Harry Smith next season even if Hastings stays and pair them together. Hastings is doing a decent job at the minute with his kicking but it’s not the strongest part of his game and that freedom to roam and chance his arm, whilst Smith organises us would be a great balance. I really think we need to give Harry Smith more of a chance next season to cement a staring role. He’s lost his place this season on the back of probably his best performance of the year against Warrington. That was a bit strange for me and must’ve hurt him and whilst the results have been good since then, I don’t think they’d have been any different with him in. He’s lost his place to allow some props to get away with playing 15 minutes. I’d rather have that safety net of a back up half on the bench tbh.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "Why?

Like you said he's been playing well and he's also been playing 80 mins too. I can't see a reason why he's not got at least another 12 months in him. His form is great & he's not an injury prone player either.

If the club can fit him under the cap, then it's a no brainer from me. Lockers will probably retire, so let's stagger the losses of these two champs over 12 months.'"


I’ve no objection to Tommy carrying on, far from it. I’m just looking at it without sentiment and think is it time for the new generation to come through? Take sentiment out of it and line up who we have in positions he’d play and I’d lean towards retirement.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Sounded to me like he is staying and wants to inform his family first that he won't be coming home.

As for rumours the players don't like him, they all wanted their pics with him.'"


I thought that was a bad sign. I wrote this on the match thread but i question why all the squad want individual photos with Hastings and the shield rather than random ones with each other? With the Tommy comments i get from that

:- Hastings is going
:- Tommy is staying
:- Smith will get more game time and we will roll with Field and Tommy/Smith. How can we accommodate Hastings, Field, Tommy and Smith. Can't be done unless Tommy moves into his coaching role. I hope i am wrong but i really can't work it out.

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Maybe Field will start on wing if Hastings stays Smith starts with him and Tommy covers for him and hooker

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Quote: Egg Chasing "I hope Lockers gets to sign off on the field with a classic Lockers performance. Be a real shame to see him forced to finish.'"


Much to Whiffy's anger. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Pie_Eyter "I thought that was a bad sign. I wrote this on the match thread but i question why all the squad want individual photos with Hastings and the shield rather than random ones with each other? With the Tommy comments i get from that



Maybe Field will play on the wing as Burgess is leaving and Marshall is injured.

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Quote: Pie_Eyter "I thought that was a bad sign. I wrote this on the match thread but i question why all the squad want individual photos with Hastings and the shield rather than random ones with each other?'"


My point is/was that the talk is that the players don't like him. It certainly didn't look that way.

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Has anyone ever thought Jacko was going to go home but has since re kindled his relationship with a pretty hot PT in Manchester and as such now wants to stay over here in England and thus is trying to sort a new deal at Wigan.

In the interim Wigan lined up Field but maybe Jacko had a change of heart?

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Or maybe it was always his intention to stay but he was just waiting for the right time to announce it much like he did when he was leaving Salford

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