Zac is turning into a leader for us,he's always there to congratulate anyone who scored or makes a good tackle i think he's just grown up and enjoying his rugby again, and while we shouldn't forget what's happened before he should be judged on what he's doing for us

Greenwood was always a very frustrating figure for Saints fans. There’s no doubting his talent but as others have alluded to, his mentality and lack of toughness was always questioned. He always came across like someone who was more than capable but never really wanted it enough. He’s not someone I’d want at my side when the going got tough. Taia in comparison came in and not only offered a huge attacking threat he was also willing to get his hands dirty. Greenwood not so much.
On the flip side, as you’ve stated in your post, 20 yards out there’s probably only Liam Farrell who knows how to run a better line and crash over. He’s still “only” 27 so plenty time left but you’d like to think he’d have toughened up a bit by now.

As for the game last night, for what it’s worth I thought Hardaker was superb but for me the changing point was Smith to the halves, I thought you looked much more dangerous after that. As an opposition fan I’d be more wary of Smith than Leuluai in an attacking sense without a doubt. Thought Singleton went well too, he’ll quickly become your best prop alongside Havard.

Was speaking up a coach about Greenwood a few years ago when he moved to the Titans.

I thought it was a great move for him and he disagreed.

His told me basically Greenwood had always been the superstar as a kid. He was always destined for the pro game. He was the lad that got the ball in the juniors and went the length of the field scoring tries for fun on nearly every carry.

He then joined Saints and again showed up very well in their Academy team and was quickly introduced to the first team. He joined the first team and was surrounded by a dominant pack so he could be that luxury player.

His opinion was that through this development and his SL career he had never had to graft. Never had to learn the tough stuff and that the NRL would quickly find him out or be the making of him as he would have to develop those traits pretty quickly if he was to be a success. We know how that went.

He is 27 now and still it seems unwilling to do the basic requirements of the job of a secondrow forward. I’ve no doubt he has bags of talent and potential but there is something missing and again at his stage of his career I’m not sure he can or has the time to find it if he wishes to be a regular in a team with trophy ambitions.

I hope he doesn’t. If he can keep playing like he did last night (and not screw-up off the field), he should be first pick at centre for England at the World Cup.
Didn’t think we went too well last year at full-back, but he’s certainly found form playing at centre.

Gildart,King,Percival are all better centre's than Zak and you also have Watkins showing some decent form for Salford

I'd have him in the squad but he probably doesn't get a game.

A lot can happen in 12 months though.

Hes had a difficult/poor 12 months (when I say 12 months I'm basing it in rugby terms I.e from 1/3rd away through last season to Aug this year 1/3rd of this season). All of it started with the head injury/concussion, and let's not forget that some.players never recover from things like that.

But since his return, apart from the HKR game where EVERYONE was awful Greenwood has shown up well. Is he going to make 50 tackles every game, no. Is he going to take the ball up 25 times a game and make 200 yards, probably not.
Comparing him to Isa doesnt donwother of them any good, on fact it shows up what is lacking in both of them.
But the issue is, can he fit into the squad and offer something different to what others can.
Answer is Yes.
He was one of our better players against Saints and stood up well to their bigger more physical forwards. He runs good lines and is more of a handful in the opposition half and offers a different type threat.

Glad to have him back something like, good on him

I agree Jukesy. There seems to be an overemphasis on what he doesn't bring and an undervaluing of what he does. He's never going to be aggressive but he certainly seems to be making strides on toughness. The clash of heads last night was a bad one and last season would have seen him off the field for the rest of the game. Last night he was back on and made a significant contribution to the win. Let's give credit where it's due.

He brings another dimension to our attack and does things our other options in that position can't. Moreover he operated well on the right last night (something we've been continuously told he can't do) which meant we could keep Faz in his most effective position whilst still adding an attacking threat on the right.

Returning to the thread title, Zak was outstanding last night. He seems to bleed Cherry and White. There were many doubts and doubters when he signed, which was understandable given his track record, but he genuinely seems to have got himself on the right track and his passion for the shirt is a joy to see. Long may it continue.

Quote: Phuzzy "Returning to the thread title, Zak was outstanding last night. He seems to bleed Cherry and White. There were many doubts and doubters when he signed, which was understandable given his track record, but he genuinely seems to have got himself on the right track and his passion for the shirt is a joy to see. Long may it continue.'" https://www.facebook.com/13921556610090 ... xtid=0&d=w

Quote: Phuzzy "Returning to the thread title, Zak was outstanding last night. He seems to bleed Cherry and White. There were many doubts and doubters when he signed, which was understandable given his track record, but he genuinely seems to have got himself on the right track and his passion for the shirt is a joy to see. Long may it continue.'" https://www.facebook.com/13921556610090 ... xtid=0&d=w

That Jackson Hastings shows no interest in playing for Wigan, no leadership, no commitment