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| Quote: RainbowWarrior "LGBTQ+ and BLM are not social trends. They are a product of society's (mainly unconscious) prejudice. As someone who falls within the LGBTQ+ demographic I'm proud of what the club is trying to do, and was looking forward to being visible for who I am for the first time at a rugby game at the postponed Catalans match. It is people's choice what they do with their money, but to withhold money because you are disgusted at the club's stance on "social trends" is ignoring the values of this great club, and reinforcing society's inbuilt prejudice.'"
You could have been whatever you wanted at any of the games anyway. You didn't need a special day for this - attend the game and with your partner or whoever else you want. Not 100% sure what rule said you can't?
If you seriously think that anyone is watching you instead of the game then you're deluded. I'm there for a game of rugby not some social protest showoff.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "You could have been whatever you wanted at any of the games anyway. You didn't need a special day for this - attend the game and with your partner or whoever else you want. Not 100% sure what rule said you can't?
If you seriously think that anyone is watching you instead of the game then you're deluded. I'm there for a game of rugby not some social protest showoff.'"
In that case you dont need a special day for fathers day so i guess we shouldnt go to those games as we dont need it rammed down our throats. you also dont need an armed forces day, st georges day, st patricks day, mothers day, all of these have been done in the past by the club without anyone bothering. Why bother now about this one?
Also, if youre just there for a game of rugby, then... just watch the game?
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "No problem with them whatsoever, have you? I have no idea what ones sexuality has to do with a rugby league club though.'"
Maybe we have some gay fans, players, coaches, admin staff. Do you complain when your place of work supports LGBTQ+ causes?
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| Quote: RainbowWarrior "LGBTQ+ and BLM are not social trends. They are a product of society's (mainly unconscious) prejudice. As someone who falls within the LGBTQ+ demographic I'm proud of what the club is trying to do, and was looking forward to being visible for who I am for the first time at a rugby game at the postponed Catalans match. It is people's choice what they do with their money, but to withhold money because you are disgusted at the club's stance on "social trends" is ignoring the values of this great club, and reinforcing society's inbuilt prejudice.'"
Mate, you have been able to come to the game as whatever you like, The vast majority of people do not care about your sexuality, you are free to be whoever you like. People want to watch rugby league at games, not be given a lecture on social issues. It has naff all to do with rugby league just as a movement to abolish the Police and bring down western values doesnt. On saying that, the club is also free to support whatever causes they like, just as i have a right to voice my opinion and choose to spend my money as i think appropriate.
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "Mate, you have been able to come to the game as whatever you like, The vast majority of people do not care about your sexuality, you are free to be whoever you like. People want to watch rugby league at games, not be given a lecture on social issues. It has naff all to do with rugby league just as a movement to abolish the Police and bring down western values doesnt. On saying that, the club is also free to support whatever causes they like, just as i have a right to voice my opinion and choose to spend my money as i think appropriate.'"
As already stated, no one wants to abolish the police, and what are the western values you think are being brought down exactly? Or is that just a random buzzphrase?
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Maybe we have some gay fans, players, coaches, admin staff. Do you complain when your place of work supports LGBTQ+ causes?'"
Maybe we do, so what? I dont care what their sexuality is do you? Why should it be issue?
My place of work has never held any LGBTQ events. We dont go to work to celebrate sexuality, it has no relevance to what we are there to do. One of the guys we worked with for years was gay and he used to bring his boyfriend in to help him, nobody cared, why should we? He was treated the same as everybody else.
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "Maybe we do, so what? I dont care what their sexuality is do you? Why should it be issue?
My place of work has never held any LGBTQ events. We dont go to work to celebrate sexuality, it has no relevance to what we are there to do. One of the guys we worked with for years was gay and he used to bring his boyfriend in to help him, nobody cared, why should we? He was treated the same as everybody else.'"
He may have been treated the same as everyone else by you and your colleagues, but that doesn't mean hes treated the same as everyone else by other people. Thats what its about. LGBTQ events arent about the persons sexuality as such, they are about normalising LGBTQ and supporting a group that has been historically discriminated against to the point of being beaten and even killed just for who they are.
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| Quote: Angelus "As already stated, no one wants to abolish the police, and what are the western values you think are being brought down exactly? Or is that just a random buzzphrase?'"
You should actually read rlrl
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| I’ve been wondering how long it would take for some of the opinions that have appeared on the Wigan Today Facebook posts and other outlets to appear on this forum. I guess that’s where we are now with some people feeling more emboldened to share their out-dated and discriminatory attitudes.
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| Quote: Angelus "He may have been treated the same as everyone else by you and your colleagues, but that doesn't mean hes treated the same as everyone else by other people. Thats what its about. LGBTQ events arent about the persons sexuality as such, they are about normalising LGBTQ and supporting a group that has been historically discriminated against to the point of being beaten and even killed just for who they are.'"
This is just not an issue in the UK. In some middle eastern countries you would have a point but in the UK it is a non issue. Of course you will find the odd incident if you search but that is more down to the fact that you have some people with evil intentions walking the streets, the same way people get murdered and beaten for a whole variety of other reasons.
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "You should actually read rlrl'"
Thats a fundraiser from a facebook group calling themselves BLM UK. That could literally be set up by me in my back garden. They do actually call for the abolishment of police there. I'm assuming they mean defund, or replace with something more useful as they want to do in the US. i doubt they mean they dont want any kind of law enforcement whatsoever, and I'll do some more research into what they mean by that, but for now i will give you that one.
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| Quote: The_Enforcer "This is just not an issue in the UK. In some middle eastern countries you would have a point but in the UK it is a non issue. Of course you will find the odd incident if you search but that is more down to the fact that you have some people with evil intentions walking the streets, the same way people get murdered and beaten for a whole variety of other reasons.'"
Ask your friend if he thinks its an issue in the UK. one in five LGBT people have suffered a hate crime. two in five trans people. four in five cases go unreported. I wouldnt call it a non issue.
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| Quote: DannyT "I’ve been wondering how long it would take for some of the opinions that have appeared on the Wigan Today Facebook posts and other outlets to appear on this forum. I guess that’s where we are now with some people feeling more emboldened to share their out-dated and discriminatory attitudes.'"
And this is the prime example of what is wrong with society today. You must not dare share a different opinion, you must conform. You are the only one discriminating, against the right of others to have an opinion. I have not discriminated against anybody. All i have argued is that i do not think that rugby league is a place for promoting sexuality preferences or movements that want to abolish the Police and bring down western values.
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| Quote: Angelus "Ask your friend if he thinks its an issue in the UK. one in five LGBT people have suffered a hate crime. two in five trans people. four in five cases go unreported. I wouldnt call it a non issue.'"
Thats more to do with them moving the goal posts on what constitutes a hate crime and how they can be reported. Most people regardless of sexuality have suffered some kind of hate crime using todays standards. Just looking at somebody the wrong way can be classed as a hate crime these days and to make it worse, it doesnt have to be the person you looked at that can report it, it could be somebody stood on the other side of the road that was watching.
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| Quote: Angelus "Ask your friend if he thinks its an issue in the UK. one in five LGBT people have suffered a hate crime. two in five trans people. four in five cases go unreported. I wouldnt call it a non issue.'"
I know I've made a joke out of one person's backward opinions, but those stats are seriously appalling in 2020. Anything the club can do to help combat that in some small way should be welcomed.
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