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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



FB 6 French
RW 2 Marshall
RC 23 Bibby
LC 1 Hardaker
LW 5 J.Burgess
SO 31 Hastings
SH 7 Leuluai
P 19 Bullock
H 32 Borough
P 20 Byrne
SR 16 Smithies
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S 15 Greenwood
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S 30 Havard

Smith's defence worried me a bit (5 missed tackles, at fault for one try and partly at fault for the other), so I'd rather not give him the full 80 if we can help it, especially given the conditions which don't really lend themselves to flashy halfback play. Give me the guy who will hand it to the forwards in attack and hit like a hammer in defence for this one.

Clubb is just like the young lads now only less fit. He's given us some great moments in his career but I think he's done now. Havard did miles more than him against Cas.

Isa wound me up giving away two penalties in possession attacking their line! Give Greenwood the opportunity, we know how good he can be on his day.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Quote: KingRoss11 "Having watched back the extended highlights against Cas I’d also keep Havard in and drop Partington for Clark and bullock for Clubb, Havard made 98 metres from 12 carries and 25 tackles which is very good for someone so young and inexperienced. Unfortunately I’ve seen enough from Partington to know he’s never gonna be a Wigan standard prop, he’d be better on the edges but Lam won’t try that'"

Looks like Partington got through a hell of a lot of work in defence (not surprising when we kept giving them extra sets and Clubb only did one spell). I'd let that excuse his average offering in attack to be honest.

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I’m stumped how Clubb can be fit this week after only doing one spell against Cas. To complete one spell of twenty minutes means he was either injured or they think he’s only capable of one spell (or both) and both of those should result in him losing his spot this week. If Lam thinks he’s only worthy or capable of one spell then it’s a joke of a situation and it’s hurting the team.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I’m stumped how Clubb can be fit this week after only doing one spell against Cas. To complete one spell of twenty minutes means he was either injured or they think he’s only capable of one spell (or both) and both of those should result in him losing his spot this week. If Lam thinks he’s only worthy or capable of one spell then it’s a joke of a situation and it’s hurting the team.'"


A very good point. Losing a bench spot and an interchange for the sake of 5 carries and 10 or so tackles is no good for anyone and salary wise we could probably find someone to do that for half the cost.

I used to be a big Tony Clubb fan, but the more you sit back and analyse his peformances you wonder how he is at a club striving for success as a first choice

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Quote: NickyKiss "I’m stumped how Clubb can be fit this week after only doing one spell against Cas. To complete one spell of twenty minutes means he was either injured or they think he’s only capable of one spell (or both) and both of those should result in him losing his spot this week. If Lam thinks he’s only worthy or capable of one spell then it’s a joke of a situation and it’s hurting the team.'"


He was warming up and stretching with 20 minutes to go, so would presume he wasn’t injured? Maybe Lam has realised?

Thursdays team selection will be interesting. For me if he trusted Smith last week then he has to stick with him this week. Clark, Greenwood, Bullock all have to play this week in my opinion.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "A very good point. Losing a bench spot and an interchange for the sake of 5 carries and 10 or so tackles is no good for anyone and salary wise we could probably find someone to do that for half the cost.

I used to be a big Tony Clubb fan, but the more you sit back and analyse his peformances you wonder how he is at a club striving for success as a first choice'"


I’ve been a Clubb fan myself and I think he’s been a good player for us but the situation at the minute with the minutes he’s playing is baffling. If you’re going to put three junior props in alongside one senior one, then you need your one senior prop to be able to knock out 50-60 minutes. I thought Clubb proved at times last year that he can still be a good player but I can’t help but agree with those who said we should’ve parted ways, especially if this is all he’s capable of. I guess they’re maybe managing him through games because he only managed about 5 minutes in the Leeds friendly but why Lam would do that when he has Bullock and Clark playing in the reserves is anyone’s guess.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I’ve been a Clubb fan myself and I think he’s been a good player for us but the situation at the minute with the minutes he’s playing is baffling. If you’re going to put three junior props in alongside one senior one, then you need your one senior prop to be able to knock out 50-60 minutes. I thought Clubb proved at times last year that he can still be a good player but I can’t help but agree with those who said we should’ve parted ways, especially if this is all he’s capable of. I guess they’re maybe managing him through games because he only managed about 5 minutes in the Leeds friendly but why Lam would do that when he has Bullock and Clark playing in the reserves is anyone’s guess.'"


Ideally I would want my frontline prop doing 80 in the mould of a Peacock or Graham

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Lam is a stubborn moron who couldn't organize a p*ss up in brewery, but yeah we give him the head coaching job Wigan

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Ideally I would want my frontline prop doing 80 in the mould of a Peacock or Graham'"


That’s the dream ticket but there’s very few doing that nowadays. I suppose anything above Clubbys 20 mins is a start!

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



Quote: KingRoss11 "Having watched back the extended highlights against Cas I’d also keep Havard in and drop Partington for Clark and bullock for Clubb, Havard made 98 metres from 12 carries and 25 tackles which is very good for someone so young and inexperienced. Unfortunately I’ve seen enough from Partington to know he’s never gonna be a Wigan standard prop, he’d be better on the edges but Lam won’t try that'"


I’d go for this. Lam needs to keep the team together for consistency, he needs to realise he’s not playing Fantasy Football, players need time to gel and then they earn each other’s trust in defence. Can’t be chopping and changing every week.

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Quote: post "I’d go for this. Lam needs to keep the team together for consistency, he needs to realise he’s not playing Fantasy Football, players need time to gel and then they earn each other’s trust in defence. Can’t be chopping and changing every week.'"



I agree with this early in the season but this is the clubs fault, year after year we go into a season massively undercooked:

Friendly 1 - Skolars (Kids)
Friendly 2 - Leeds (First team 40 mins, 85% reserves 40 mins)
Friendly 3 - Leigh (Kids, reserves, fringe)

We do this every season and every season we start the year slowly, usually only finding our feet around games 4 and 5. No wonder some of our first team players don't look match fit by the start of SL.... they're not!

I don't mind the Skolars or Leigh games as such but that Leeds match should have been 80 mins first team. I also think they should have played at least another 80 minutes as well (like Salford away... etc).

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Its makes you wonder weather they do this on purpose as they have done this past few years. If you play x2 pre-season games at full strength your playing x2 extra games and come the business end of the season this could be the difference when it comes to "petrol in the tank". Its not ideal getting your match fitness in the early rounds as you go along because it doesnt look pretty and you could potentially pick up some losses and injuries, but you can afford to do this due to the league structure, at the end of the day all you need is a top 5 finish. It would be interesting to see what a pre season would be like if its first past the post

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Quote: Cbr1000rr "Lam is a stubborn moron who couldn't organize a p*ss up in brewery, but yeah we give him the head coaching job Wigan'"


Constructive comment would be more welcome that a football supporter type rant!

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Quote: Chris_H "Its makes you wonder weather they do this on purpose as they have done this past few years. If you play x2 pre-season games at full strength your playing x2 extra games and come the business end of the season this could be the difference when it comes to "petrol in the tank". Its not ideal getting your match fitness in the early rounds as you go along because it doesnt look pretty and you could potentially pick up some losses and injuries, but you can afford to do this due to the league structure, at the end of the day all you need is a top 5 finish. It would be interesting to see what a pre season would be like if its first past the post'"


Quite possible. Under Wane the last few seasons we never looked anywhere near our best until August time.

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Quote: MattyB "I agree with this early in the season but this is the clubs fault, year after year we go into a season massively undercooked

Spot on, no real pre season warm up games for the first team squad.

We only played another Super League club in Leeds Rhinos because it was a testimonial for Liam Farrell and in the game some regular first team players spent less than the 40% you have mentioned.

Apart from the game against London Skolars which should be played by a complete Academy team, the other two games should be taken more seriously by the club with members of the first team squad spending more time on the field than what they are doing.

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