There’s a whole host of reasons the attendances are down. The main two for us are ridiculous kick off days/times and more importantly just the competition as a whole feels second rate nowadays. We’re the Scottish premiership to the English premiership when it comes to comparing us against the NRL. If a whole heap of money came in to the game tomorrow and all the Burgess boys, Graham, Widdop, Whitehead etc came back and we started getting the top Kiwi international we used to as well as the odd Australian representative player our attendances would shoot through the roof.

Wane can be blamed for certain things but attendances aren’t really one of them. We’d get ‘slightly’ better crowds if the rugby was a bit more exciting but it would hardly be noticeable.

Probably having the biggest wage bill in the league for the past few years and two marquee players would probably give it away.

Resourced by the fact we have the best youth system and biggest wage bill.

I look at Leeds today and think you must have quite a low wage bill. The only player anywhere near Marquee is Watkins, you've replaced Hall with Briscoe, and your pack is terrible.

If you're happy with that then good on yer.

No chip on my shoulder regarding Wane just saddened to see the culture Maguire created at the club being eroded over the years by Noble's boy's club mentality returning.

Biggest wage bill in SL over the past few years with two Marquee players would suggest we are the best-resourced team in the league.

Warrington better resourced..

A team full of Wigan rejects and Wigan area players, come on, even you don't believe that.

Saints have won 2 in the last 7 years going through a massive transition, and that will be 3 already as they have the LLS wrapped up, and if they win the GF 4.

Warrington has 2.

Leeds have 6, double the amount of Wigan.

Cas have 1.

Yes, I grew up through the 80s and 90s watching Wigan but had the same feeling in 2010 when Maguire came in and turned the team into a well oiled winning machine.

I also supported Lenners decision to appoint Wane and it looked like a good smart move, but over the years the gloss has come off, the team has lost it edge and direction.

Wane should have gone a while back and that is my only criticism of Lenners.

You've randomly started counting LLS as major trophies when your original point (and Wigan total) was based on the Challenge Cup and Super League winners only.

Going back to your original point of the 12 major trophies available during Wane's tenure then numbers for each club are as follows:

Leeds 5
Wigan 3
Hull 2
Warrington 1
St Helens 1

You can't seriously be trying to use that data as a reason to criticise Wane's performance?

So revised totals with LLS are:

Leeds 6
Wigan 4
Hull 2
Warrington 2
St Helens 2
Huddersfield 1
Castelford 1

Which rather than making "Waneys(sic) record worse" actually makes it look even better in comparison to his peers.

Just for perspective, Shaun Wane didn't keep coughing possession up early in the tackle count, or keep missing one-on-one tackles. But very possibly that 'experienced first-teamer' did.

PS: I am not an habitual Wane defender. But I've no time for excuses from c&&p players either.

Just out of interest how many Trophey’s would be an acceptable return for you?

I'd accept Maguires 3 out of 6

and also the controlled, organised, disciplined, professional behaviour, on and off the pitch.

feka, gleeson?

Both got rid of asap.

Next.

no they didnt, feka stayed, joel was shown the door

So basically you are saying we should win on average either the GF or CC every year otherwise it is an unacceptable return. Arrogant imo. Leeds, Warrington, St Helens, Hull (though not on today’s performance) and to a certain extent cas though they need to challenge regularly to be truly considered amongst the rest can then by your reasoning only have 1 Trophey between them per season.

Given the stature of the club, it’s academy and the ability of the players I would expect to challenge for trophies every year, which to be fair Wane has.

Yep, with the advantages we have had over the last few years we should be winning a trophy every year!

Not arrogant just honest.