I have said this many times in the past but was always shot down by the many Madge worshipers on the Rugby sites, glad to see someone else thinking the same

Running a structure helps players confidence and is effective...however, within a couple of seasons the opposition will have come up to speed with a game plan to counter. Madge was fortunate he only hung around Wigan for that pinnacle period and moved on....his first mistake at Souths was he hung around there too long thinking he wouldn't get caught out.

I certainly find it hard to judge a lad fairly this season based on the odd twenty minutes at Scrum Half when he’s a fullback. It’s the same as I find it hard to criticise a hooker playing at scrum half.

The common denominator in all this is Sam Tomkins and Wanes unwillingness to play him anywhere other then fullback. He’s a more natural halfback then either Escare or Powell but doesn’t want to play there. I personally think it’s time for Josh Woods to be given a run at scrum half and then Powell and Escare can start fighting for games in their natural positions.

I don’t think Amos Roberts had the attributes you have mentioned but on pace alone he was a genuine threat at the back just like Escare can be if given the opportunity.

It’s also not like Sam has had some below par performances at full back this season and unlike Escare he rarely looks to beat the first man due to his loss of speed.

Yeah it just makes you wonder what was the thinking when we signed him if there was little intention to give him a fair shot at full back rather than how he is currently being used.

I have a draw full of stuff that I bought thinking that it may come in useful one day. So far it has all been a waste of money. Too many of our players are like that. They seem to have been signed because they were available rather than because we had a role for them. We really need the best that we can afford for each position and for the style that we intend to play. That cannot happen until we have a new coach. How can we go into the play offs with four good full backs and only one good centre? And yes, I think Sarginson is never a centre.

The key to any sallary capped sport is getting value for money and whilst I can only speculate on wages I would predict some of our bigger earners are simply not providing value for money.

Williams is a clear one, very mediocre despite the hype. Hopefully our new coach can turn around his career that is quickly unravelling.

Tomkins, ok playing well this year in the main but again is he playing to a marquee level? Not in my opinion.

Farrell, one of our senior players and will surely be on a good wage, simply for me the very defenition of average for a few years now.

Joel Tomkins, ok he is going but another who will be on a big wage and could be described as average at best.

That is a massive percentage of cap money tied up in some massively underperforming players.

It looks like this is being addressed by the club but it will be a slow process phasing out or restructuring the pay scales at the club.

I totally agree with all of this. It really comes to something when some of the most stand-out performances we've seen all year have come from our kids, or from our semi-retired skipper.

But in this regard, it's difficult not to see the real fault lying with the coaching staff, who ought to be well on top of this sort of thing. GW's absence from games that mattered during the World Cup showed what Wayne Bennett's approach would have been.

We bought him on a 1 year contract to cover for the injured Tomkins who we knew would be out until June that year. Let’s be honest, he exceeded expectations, hence he was given an extended contract. He’s not as good as Tomkins at fullback although good cover.

I don’t think Escare did exceed expectations to be honest.

He’s shown many times for Catalans that he can be a fine full back and can cause real problems for defences with his speed.

That was the reason I thought we had signed him.

Fair enough mate but I think the majority would say he’d exceeded expectations. He performed consistently well at a high level for us but couldn’t get a game for Catalan. I’m fairly sure if he’d played for Catalan the way he’d played for us he’d have kept his place in the side.

He met my expectations - exciting attacking FB who can't defend for toffee.

Escare became available due to off field issues. After a good initial impact his form dropped off mainly due to the company he was keeping off the field.

Catalan wanted to retain him but he understood he needed to get away from the circle of friends he was keeping if he was going to make something of his rugby career.

Given recent events ironic he ended up with us.

Regarding George being on too much money, just ask your self one question would you have been happy had he gone to Warrington when they offered him a kings ransom??? What that did was force us to inrease his deal to keep him. I am certain wigan would have been bagged on here if he had left. He has been absolute rubbish for 3 weeks but certainly not on his own.

Totally agree and he’s had a lot more stick than he deserves. We all know his form hasn’t been great but most of our tries on that left edge start with him. Either a burst of speed to drag in a defender or a great pass to get the centre or winger away. He’s a very good player and that’s why went went balls out to keep him. His form will come back and there’ll be a few on here with egg on their face when it does.