Very poor performance. Discipline killing us. Clueless. Williams needs a ball of his own. Two of the best wingers in the league and they hardly get any ball. Just slug it up the middle with a poorly performing pack. Club and Bateman ( brain fart at the end aside) played their hearts out, shame about the rest.
Didn't get the rub of the green though. Wire were the better side - saying that hurts.
Summats gotta change or the fans will drift away. It's just too painful to watch at present.

People are blaming boring play, don't think I would agree with that. Chucking daft passes in our own half and kicking on 3rd in their 20m isn't boring, it's a lack of composure. Completing our sets, putting in a good kick on 5th and cutting out the ruck penalties would be boring rugby but it would probably have been enough for us to get the win.

I must admit ... in all the misery, that did make me smile.

We were doing that because we were frustrated we couldn't score imo. Had plenty of opportunities to do that but there was no enterprise, creativeness or organisation inside Wire's 20m.

Then we could barely get out of our own half because of our soft pack, backs wanting to go sideways and good Wire line speed. Missed Farrell's yardage massively, Isa isn't fit to lace his boots unfortunately.

Shocking display,but after that awful first half last saturday is anyone surprised? something is clearly wrong either in coaching or the playing pool itself,which i fear is becoming a bit too "chummy" and is in need of a little shake up.

Do you think we turned the screw enough though? I think that was a game where we needed to keep forcing them to drop out or drive the ball out of their own half. Eventually one of them would fall off a tackle, not slide across or make a poor read and we score a scruffy try, or otherwise they at least become fatigued and the metres start to come easier. The whole game becomes easier after that and maybe we can start trying to be more expansive. It's no wonder we struggled to make metres in attack when we spent so much time defending in our own half. Agreed regarding Farrell, a very underrated player, though Isa does a job and is worth a shirt IMO.

We have no 7. Major issue. Look at our issues:

-ill discipline
-no creativity
-terrible kicking game

All of the above are responsibilities of a 7.

Tommy is one of the worst 7s I've seen at Wigan.

Don't count on Sam Tomkins, he's retiring at the end of this season anyway.

Why are our play the balls so slow? Last night we got up from the tackle, put the ball on the floor, waited a bit before waving a foot at it and by then the defenders were in our faces. The whole of the East stand may shout off side but we were just clueless. Am I right in thinking that the defenders can advance when the ball is put on to the floor? Not a scoot, hardly a line break and almost no threat in the second half.

It's supposed to be when the foot touches the ball, although the foot never touches the ball a lot of the time which complicates things.

The individual quality of most of the players on the field I would personally rate as very good/excellent.

But their performance as a "team" is poor and that has got to be down to the inadequacies of the coach and his staff.

IMO the current team is a mirror image of Wane as a player. A player who was injury prone and who averaged only 15 games per season including appearances as a substitute. And when he was on the field he gave too many penalties away and dropped too much ball.

Neither a legend as a player or as a coach.

Get rid and freshen up the club and the team because both are so boring.

... this.

I have to agree, that team from last night should be standing up to any team in the current league with little issue. forget our injury run and "time being needed to bed in" again. that's rubbish. they are professionals. its an excuse that can no longer be used. we are almost at full strength so the blame lies away from the players in my opinion too.

To be fair quite a lot of patience was lost last year in the Wane methodology...............before anyone says Yes I know we won GF etc etc but that is the whole problem. We papered over the cracks all last season with the amount of games we won by 1-4 points showed that we just did enough and won't always last.

There are many things wrong and very annoying that many fans see but why doesnt Wane? How many times do we when fielding a kick (with our props / second row / hooker walking back) and our set goes - Winger, Centre, Centre, Winger and Prop (get to about 40 metres) and then a random half hearted bomb which doesnt have enough height / length for us to compete for ball to either catch or tackle man making minimal metres. Forwards then try put to much effort into the tackle / wrestle and then its penalty, penalty which tires even more of the middle men out. Centres / Wingers / George are doing so much work clearing our line that when it comes to attack at the right end of the field they are gassed but the forwards are always there in the way.

Was discussing last night main highlight for me v Catalans was second half try when Gildart went in and out dragged winger in and put Burgess away. He did similar thing at Leigh but these moments are so far and between because the ball isnt moved out quick enough or we just arent getting in good position due to what I have mentioned above.

As anything really changed since Madge left (game plan / structure)?

I totally agree with some of the other comments there is too many of Wanes mates involved and he keeps them very close to him, Paul Johnson, Steve Blakeley, Matty Peat, Daryl Goulding and he as brought back all the players he liked from St Pats or lower grade who all wont question or go against him which I think he needs at times. Why did Iyestn Harris leave, why did Paul Deacon leave...........?both attacking coaches at the club who both left under a bit of a cloud.

Crowds are going down and a lot of fans are fed up with the rubbish being turned out. I wont say i am not going to go or anything like that but dont look forward to it as years gone by and considering we are winning trophies which a lot of people will tell me it doesnt feel that way........does it ?

Course there has to be time needed to bed in, eg Bateman is getting better week by week and as you said yourself of the other thread regarding Tierney going on loan to Catalan "Dom hasn't played for a year and will no way fit right back in"

Just to add to the misery, no doubt Bateman will pick up a ban for his brain fart at the end of the match leaving us with a second row of Isa + ?. Smashing

I think part of our problem is that we don't particular offer a threat from dummy half, as much as McClorrum and Powell do what they do well, neither of them offer anything particularly different in an attacking sense when the other is off the pitch, so teams know they are going to get from that area for 80 mins and can plan accordingly.

I think you put a Darryl Clarke type player in that side during the game and the likes of Williams & Leululai to a lesser extent would have a field day running at a retreating defence, and would be very likely to create a bit of space for our centres.

Lets be honest Gelling is pretty much being used as a battering ram at the moment.