You don't think Wires defence was good in the Challenge Cup final?

Your comment shows you haven't done ant research before commenting. As others have said, we've won lots of games in the last 20 including the Challenge Cup final.

Wigan have a great defence, but you would you kill for our attacking options. TBF, you tackled us out of the game yesterday, it was pretty phenomenal defence at times and then took chances in broken play and deserved the win imo.

Batemans our best player and it's not close.

Looks as light as a feather, and he's a bugger to put down...

Referees predictable errors game sims to fast imo Ball steal effectively a lottery - is it time we went back to emphasis on ball carrier ? You can steal ball regardless of numbers in tackle ( say 3) RU seem to be able to keep possession irrespective and no Thaler didn't cost us the game.

hull were no worse than wigan for holding down and slowing the play down, we blew our chance of winning after yeamans' lunge at the line and bowden dropping the ball from a drop out, disappointed yes but not downbeat, if it means 2nd place and a home game vs saints, who have been fortunate in their last two games to play us after our wembley win and a depleted cas team, im quite confident we would make it 4 wins from 5 against them

I said the same at the game after he bounced off both yeaman and ellis within a few plays

Terrible idea. The game would become a mess

Expand please - you suggest its not a mess now ?

If you allowed ball steals with more than one defender in the tackle the game would become a farce. Teams would kick out of their own half for territory regardless of the tackle count, players would focus on protecting the ball and finding the floor rather than fighting for metres, every other tackle would end with players with their arms round the ball trying to claim possession; forcing the referee having to determine who has possession and whether the ball was stolen before/after the tackle was complete. The game has its flaws but what you are suggesting would be totally unwatchable.

It wasn't unwatchable when ball stealing was allowed with more than one player in the tackle in the past. It was much better. None of your downsides ever occurred. The current rule penalises defenders when the fault often lies with the attacking player for carrying the ball loosely. We see this a lot where players even try to milk penalties or the ref awards one when in fact the attacker just dropped the ball.

If it was just a just a question of refs expecting ball-carriers to take more responsibility for ball security, and calling more 'loose carries', I think most fans would support you in that. I fear what's being suggested would lead to an awful union-style mess, though.