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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Really, at test level you need two half backs who can organise, and can do the basics well, at the very least. Flair halfbacks don't really work, unless you get a freak like Johnson, but you look at an unstructured half like Marshall prior to Johnson's ascension, and even he struggled at the highest level.
In short, if you're not a well rounded half you will be exposed at the highest level, and in the biggest games.'"

Spot on IMO. For example former Man of Steel Rangi Chase. Being the so-called best player in SuperLeague didn't prepare him for what was a step up in standard. He couldn't cope. A bit like Zak Hardaker, who was bang average in the series IMHO of course!

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Well, quite. Rangi Chase being, after all, a poor man's Benji Marshall. I'd still have Marshall in my team, though, if he were suddenly discovered to be English!

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TBH England are well short of any dominant half backs that can control a game at test level, especially when you consider what we will face against a fully fit NZ and Australia side
What half back pairing will we be picking next season?
I would have given Like Gale a shot in this series to see if he could step up to the plate

George Williams is a bit like Liam Sutcliffe in that they are both just not quite ready at the highest level,but imo they could be down the line

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Really, at test level you need two half backs who can organise, and can do the basics well, at the very least. Flair halfbacks don't really work, unless you get a freak like Johnson, but you look at an unstructured half like Marshall prior to Johnson's ascension, and even he struggled at the highest level.
In short, if you're not a well rounded half you will be exposed at the highest level, and in the biggest games.'"



Don't know if I fully agree about the flair sentiment, if you look at the top performing teams (if they play the 6 off the 7) you have balance with a partnership one who's the organiser etc, more associated with the 7 with a 6 who can offer some flair and maybe more of a running game.

Look at JT for example, arguably the best player in the game, once the organiser to Lockyer, now the flair player with Cronk organising both QLD and AUS. JT has freedom of the park, allowed to read the game playing both left and right side of the pitch, he has the luxury to do this as Cronk is organising the game in communication with JT.

This is the same for NZ with Foran controlling as Johnson roams, again for the Broncos who have Hunt organising with Milford adding flair (this partnership could end up being one of the best in world rugby over the next 5-10years)

Saw the Brett Kenny interview, found it interesting when he discussed JT, saying many players at 6 or 7 are shackled to a structure not allowed to show their flair. He was discussing how half backs would be better and were better in years gone by when they were allowed to be more creative with flair.

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On the original title...

Not even close. There are at least 10 other HB's i would take out of Super League over him. His overall performances have been poor. 1 swallow doesn't make a summer i am afraid. Nowhere near consistent enough. It' s huge season for him. His kicking game simply has to deliver.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Don't know if I fully agree about the flair sentiment, if you look at the top performing teams (if they play the 6 off the 7) you have balance with a partnership one who's the organiser etc, more associated with the 7 with a 6 who can offer some flair and maybe more of a running game.

Look at JT for example, arguably the best player in the game, once the organiser to Lockyer, now the flair player with Cronk organising both QLD and AUS. JT has freedom of the park, allowed to read the game playing both left and right side of the pitch, he has the luxury to do this as Cronk is organising the game in communication with JT.

This is the same for NZ with Foran controlling as Johnson roams, again for the Broncos who have Hunt organising with Milford adding flair (this partnership could end up being one of the best in world rugby over the next 5-10years)
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I wasn't saying halfbacks can't, or shouldn't have flair. My point was that they'll be found out in the pressure games if they don't do the basics well, and don't posses any ability to organise the side.
I think game management, and organisational skills should be seen as fundamental for any halfback, and if they can do the fancy stuff then that's a bonus.

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It's hard to disagree with this. There aren't many around. McGuire doesn't have the pace to make telling breaks any more, Brough relies on his kicking, Smith relies and falls on his kicking. Gale is probably the closest in the league of the senior players. Williams and Sutcliffe are the future, Hampshire will hopefully realise his potential and the lad a Warrington looks a good prospect too.

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "On the original title...

Not even close. There are at least 10 other HB's i would take out of Super League over him. His overall performances have been poor. 1 swallow doesn't make a summer i am afraid. Nowhere near consistent enough. It' s huge season for him. His kicking game simply has to deliver.'"


English ones? Name them.

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