At Bradford after Smith laid the foundations as a clack Elliot took the glory and Noble rode the wave despite being ridiculously average as a coach.

I feel Maguire did a stunning job at Wigan Wane has ridden the wave and momentum but now as it wears off this is his team. At the moment he is not good enough. Skill level is shocking mentality is wrong and recruitment has been shocking.

As for youth...what is the obsession with Wiganers?! We need a winning team not a team full of kids!

Young players should earn the right by taking shirts off the older players backs by performing not just getting given them because they were born in the town.

Our chairman talks about Wigan as a global brand but we are currently ruled by a very insular mentality.

So he's only changed the methods now we didn't win anything in 2014? Have a day off mate, you can't have it both ways. Either SW gets all the credit and all the blame for anything since MM left or MM gets all the credit and all the blame.

To say we only won because of MM and only lose because of SW is an asinine argument.

Well thought through.
He's a god and can't do no wrong.
I'm such an arris for missing that.

Nah...he publicly stated we will play a different way this season.

At least he was honest with that.

We didn't lose much in those years either. The odd rollocking, neither here nor there for the odd loss when you are wining most games. It's got to be easy to coach a wining team and one that has experienced players in it.

Wane now has to prove he can drag a team up from the deck and if his reaction to defeat is always to ball them out and flog them in training then eventually the players will not play for him anymore, you can bet on that. They will want him to fix the problems but if the solution is always the same and it doesn't work, what would you do?

I personally find the push up comments embarassing.

What next oranges at half time with a fag?

We are supposed to be professional, push ups as punishment is not that.

Give me 20 you lazy fork..

When Wane first took over he said he was going to do things differently. I could not believe it at the time and I am sure it was debated on here. Why change a winning formula?

He said it again recentlyhttps://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/shaun-still-wigans-wane-man-8443966rl

I was keen for Wane to take over as I thought it would bring continuity but from the off he decided he knew better and I was stunned when he said that. He clearly still thinks it's "my way, or no way".

He has also said he would change things for 2015 and its clear we don't play the same sort of game as we did under MM.

The question is has Wane got the humility and brains to accept he might not know best and could learn a thing or two from looking to other coaches, one of whom would be MM?

Personally, I have my doubts but something has got to change.

One thing I will say is that spectacularly-executed face-palm inducing defensive blunders, such as the fistful Charnley provided tonight, are very, very bad for a player's career. No professional can afford to draw attention to his own inadequacies for very long before confidence is fatally undermined.

Yep - I saw that. Poor show from Bowen and I cannot see him getting a place for the Cherry and Whites next week. No excuses for doing something like that IMO.

As usual there is a massive OTT reaction on here.

At the end of last year Wane was touted by many as the only option for England coach.

We have been very poor with discipline and ball control. Sort that out and we would have been unbeaten in 3.

Last night seems to be the first time in a long time where we seemed to be completely out of the game.

Interesting test of Wane's coaching now . Think a lot of posters on this thread will be be very quiet in 2-3 months time.

I just really don't like Wane's style of Rugby. Drive it up in the forwards, nothing stupid, then put a move on in the 3rd and 4th tackles. It's SO predictable. When watching the Hull v Leeds game on Thursday, it was amazing how many times Leeds offloaded the ball, and it was a pleasure to watch. It created so much space and led to so many tries. We never offload the ball, it's Wane's pet hatred i think.

Also, our discipline is non existent. If Wane has anything about him then Farrell, Tomkins and Charnley will be nowhere near the 17 next week.

It doesn't seem too long ago that the majority of the posters on here were waxing lyrical about Shaun Wane's coaching ability and saying that he would be a major target for NRL clubs wanting a new head coach

I wouldn't have thought he was any better or worse now than he was back then,personally i never thought it was a good idea to let a fan be our head coach, he should have stayed as a number 2 or head of junior development

Couldn't agree more mate the wigan down under was a. Chance to show the professionalism of your club and represent the sport. It was all over sky on catchup and demand and it was nothing more than a swear fest, as you said. Typical of the rugby league raw program which was embarrassing to watch. I believe this to be the problem at wigan.