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Quote: jonh "Is reading something you struggle with? I do not class Gildart as one of our front line centres. I would anticipate he will pick up game time next year but it will be carefully selected. If we pick up 2 centre injuries we can still run with 2 experienced centres who have played in trophy winning successful teams. Gildart is not part of that equation and I doubt if we picked up 3 injuries in the centre that he would be considered a realistic long term option.

As for Atkins, given how poor he has been the last few seasons he had bags to prove. He is a player who seemed destined for a big career, he has become a very average player indeed and needs a big season to get back on track, he lacks the basic skills of a centre and unlikely he at his age will ever get them in my opinion. May be wrong but fairly sure he has been dropped for spells on a few occasions over the last few seasons by Smith due to his form.'"


So the best young centre in Super League is only 5th or 6th choice at Wigan? Weird that.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "So the best young centre in Super League is only 5th or 6th choice at Wigan? Weird that.'"


Where's this best young centre in Superleague come from?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Where's this best young centre in Superleague come from?'"


Not sure. St.Pats? Judes? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Where's this best young centre in Superleague come from?'"


Nicky Kiss labelled him thus in the second post on this thread.

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Quote: Paul Youane "Nicky Kiss labelled him thus in the second post on this thread.'"


So it's based on ONE person's opinion?

Roll on the start of the season. icon_rolleyes.gif

What I will say is that he's one of the best young prospects I've seen in the last couple of years, and along with Turgut and King were impressive against the Aussies

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YG is like a dog with a bone sometimes.....

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "So it's based on ONE person's opinion?

Roll on the start of the season.
I'm sure I read you saying you were "very disappointed" in Turgut in game 1. Must have had a blinder in game 2 presumably?

And yes it was Nicky Kiss who made the comment re.Gildart. You've been a bit more reserved in your praise for him which makes for a refreshing change.

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Quote: jonh "As for Atkins, given how poor he has been the last few seasons he had bags to prove. He is a player who seemed destined for a big career, he has become a very average player indeed and needs a big season to get back on track, he lacks the basic skills of a centre and unlikely he at his age will ever get them in my opinion. May be wrong but fairly sure he has been dropped for spells on a few occasions over the last few seasons by Smith due to his form.'"


Talking out of your arris now. Whenever fit Atkins has been an automatic selection ever since joining Warrington and has been one of the top centres in the league for a number of years including dream team selection in 2012 and 20+ tries in 3 of the last four seasons whilst still managing to score more tries than any Wigan centre did in the other season.

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Quote: Paul Youane "Talking out of your arris now. Whenever fit Atkins has been an automatic selection ever since joining Warrington and has been one of the top centres in the league for a number of years including dream team selection in 2012 and 20+ tries in 3 of the last four seasons whilst still managing to score more tries than any Wigan centre did in the other season.'"


Game. Set. Match.

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And this is the girl who complains when anyone has the termacity to go on HER forum winding people up.
The same girl who wants to quote U19's but can't remember if she has seen any games at that level.
You can't make this up

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Quote: Father Ted "Naming all those as PY has done for their possibilities at Wire they probably have more depth at centre than us but that is our "thinnest" position.
I think Wigan's is as good a squad as any and better than most. Us and Wire IMO have the strongest squads with the most depth, Saints have quality but not depth in the pivitol positions.
Looking at 1,6,7,9,& 13 then Wigan and Wire are better off than Saints. Saints don't have an U19 threatening Lomax at 1, Burns at 6, Walsh 7, Roby 9 although I don't think 13 is a position for someone from the U19s. Wigan and Wire have an abundence of talent for those postions both young and experienced.
Wigan's main advantage is pace. Wire, Saints., Leeds and Catalan have quality players but none with the pace of Wigan's squad.
Iain Thornley is a quality centre who through bad luck with injury has lost his place and shirt number to a player who when signed last year didn't have a position to hold down. Shows the competition for places when Sarginson can come from the defensive debacle at Cas to being an outstanding player in the England squad.'"


I'd certainly agree with you about Wigan having an advantage in respect of pace. The yardage provided by the Wingers (and also the centres) was the difference between Wigan and Warrington in the meetings at the back end of last season.

I think a potential weakness in Wigan's squad is the over-reliance in McIlorum at dummy-half. Powell and Williams when playing there both look what they are - half-backs shoe-horned into the position. Their service from acting half is too slow and they tend to stand upright before delivering the pass making for slow service. The lad in the u19s (Waterhead) doesn't yet look ready physically to play at SL level.


EDIT: I've just remembered that Logan Tomkins will be back with Wigan this year so he does offer some cover at hooker but really of a thrid choice standard rather than a regular interchange option.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I'm sure I read you saying you were "very disappointed" in Turgut in game 1. Must have had a blinder in game 2 presumably?

And yes it was Nicky Kiss who made the comment re.Gildart. You've been a bit more reserved in your praise for him which makes for a refreshing change.'"


I'd say Gildart is the best centre prospect in the game along with King at Wire which is what I meant rather then trying to make out he's already some sort of superstar. He's a top class prospect and has impressed me massively every time I've seen him play.

I've not been involved in any of the debate that has gone on since those early couple of posts but I stick to what I said about us- we have no problems at all at centre IMO. I think it was mentioned that Saints can offer as much depth as Wigan in the position and you probably can. If we're talking quality though I think Wigan's options are better. I don't expect you'll like that comment but lt's an honest opinion in the same way that I believe Saints are stronger in the halves, for example.

As people have already said- Roll on the season!

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "And this is the girl who complains when anyone has the termacity to go on HER forum winding people up.
The same girl who wants to quote U19's but can't remember if she has seen any games at that level.
You can't make this up'"


Incorrect. I said I can't remember how many games I had seen as I don't keep count. Why would I? Why would anyone for that matter?

Ps I have said nothing to wind anyone up. I'm trying to have a laugh whilst voicing my opinions on topic. Chill out

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Quote: Paul Youane "Talking out of your arris now. Whenever fit Atkins has been an automatic selection ever since joining Warrington and has been one of the top centres in the league for a number of years including dream team selection in 2012 and 20+ tries in 3 of the last four seasons whilst still managing to score more tries than any Wigan centre did in the other season.'"


Interesting point given he has gone public talking about his lack of form in 2013, he hasn't got close to the Dream Team or an International squad in the last few years. Clearly his form has not dropped icon_rolleyes.gif

As I said much to prove to get anywhere near that form again.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I'd say Gildart is the best centre prospect in the game along with King at Wire which is what I meant rather then trying to make out he's already some sort of superstar. He's a top class prospect and has impressed me massively every time I've seen him play.

I've not been involved in any of the debate that has gone on since those early couple of posts but I stick to what I said about us- we have no problems at all at centre IMO. I think it was mentioned that Saints can offer as much depth as Wigan in the position and you probably can. If we're talking quality though I think Wigan's options are better. I don't expect you'll like that comment but lt's an honest opinion in the same way that I believe Saints are stronger in the halves, for example.

As people have already said- Roll on the season!'"


Agree with all of that. Your centre options probably are stronger. Sarginson was very impressive last season and Gelling, despite still being prone to making errors, was one of the most improved players in the league. Bateman looked good there against us on Good Friday, albeit it was only one game and Tomkins can obviously slot in there with no problem.

As you say, there are areas where we are stronger and vice versa. I'd be surprised if the Champions came from outside Saints or Wigan.

Warrington won't be far off but I still think there's some uncertainty at half back and right centre for them.

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