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| Quote: Cruncher "I meant use the occasion to illustrate that Union does not have streets paved with gold for everyone.
Loath though I am to say this - and I never wanted to sink to the levels of RU in its Shamateurism days - but I think we should now be on a war-footing with RU.
There's no point us pretending that all is good and fine between us and them. It isn't. We get nothing of value from them - Powell being a case in point - and they have the potential to take everything of value from us. The first casualty of this should be Andy Farrell, who can surely no longer be invited into RL's inner circles. He was once a favourite son, but he's clearly indicated that this means nothing to him.
However, I do take your overall point. Sometimes it's better to behave with dignity. Especially, I suppose, when you've got no real choice.'"
I totally agree with this. Especially the inviting of Union coaches into Rugby League environments. Farrell will always be remembered as a great player but not for his actions since crossing the code barrier. You cant blame him he is doing his job, but I do not see the need to give him or others access to the clubs/players. That goes for others too, perhaps with the exception of Shaun Edwards who has conducted himself very well despite being employed by the other code.
There is no need to be ignorant or unprofessional to these people, just stop inviting them in to our backyard and decline any invites from them.
In my opinion the damage was done when we became obsessed with Australian Coaches and the brain drain commenced. It was only natural that with no pathway into coaching players would drift to the 15 man game and take there scouting knowledge with them.
The long term impact of selling Faz to Union has been a disaster for the code, and one hopes that we learn from those errors, sadly I don't have any faith that we will though.
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif |
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| At first the cap was lauded as a way of stopping clubs going bust and when that didn't prevent that happening they moved the goal posts and now it's to level the playing field, if anything it's making the playing field much steeper for the top clubs who are still winning everything (bar Huddersfield last year because of the play offs the LLS is seen as a pointless way of playing all your cards at once by the teams who have won it and failed in the play offs).
What makes multi millionaires throw money at Football clubs even though they know they will run it at a major loss? Unless they win the Champions League.
It's a play thing, a hobby, an ego massager to walk onto the pitch holding up a trophy with the team.
Why stop Koukash pouring money into Salford? If Salford signed Sonny Bill Williams he states they could attract 3000 more fans to every home game, TBH I'd probably go just to watch him if I'm honest and definitely go to an away game at Salford.
So 3000 x £20 ticket x 14 home games is an extra £840,000 pa minus Tax (50%) and overheads your probably looking at £400,000, would Sonny Bill and the likes come to Superleague for £400,000 a year, I'd like to think so.
If you were a local business man would you be more inclined to sponsor Salford if Sonny Bill Williams played for them? I sure would.
If Salford attracted 10,000 a game with SBW playing for Salford would Sky pay more for the viewing rights and would more people upgrade to the Sports package?
I reckon so.
All in all would the game be better off on a financial level, commercial level and quality level? Apart from the Wakefield, Castleford, Bradford and London yes, it would be.
But for all this to happen the first thing that must be done is give clubs the opportunity to earn and pay more.
If I worked for a company and was told to make 40 items a week, anymore you won't get extra pay for I probably would t do anymore but if they said you get paid a certain about for however many you do over 40 would I be inclined to do more? You bet ya!
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| Has anyone considered that this isn't just about Bucks.
SBW wants a RU World Cup winners medal, maybe Burges want one as well.
Good luck to him.
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| Quote: jonh "I totally agree with this. Especially the inviting of Union coaches into Rugby League environments. Farrell will always be remembered as a great player but not for his actions since crossing the code barrier. You cant blame him he is doing his job, but I do not see the need to give him or others access to the clubs/players. That goes for others too, perhaps with the exception of Shaun Edwards who has conducted himself very well despite being employed by the other code.
There is no need to be ignorant or unprofessional to these people, just stop inviting them in to our backyard and decline any invites from them.
In my opinion the damage was done when we became obsessed with Australian Coaches and the brain drain commenced. It was only natural that with no pathway into coaching players would drift to the 15 man game and take there scouting knowledge with them.
The long term impact of selling Faz to Union has been a disaster for the code, and one hopes that we learn from those errors, sadly I don't have any faith that we will though.'"
A quick example from my job which I think is similar to this.
I used to work at Xercise4Less in Wigan but have since moved to another gym, in my new role I have poached members from X4L for my new gym. It's good for business.
Now flip that to AF, in essence he has done/doing the same thing. Poaching RL members for RU. It goes without saying there is considerable difference but I think the general jist is the same. He is just doing his job, however much it may p*ss us all off.
Along with Sam Tomkins, Sam Burgess is a once in a generation player (must be the time of the Sam's). Losing him to RU is an absolute hammer blow to not just UK RL but the NRL. If he could of played SOO would he of stayed? Doubtful. IMO to really cement his star quality as an overall rugby player he needs a World Cup or an international title (be it 6N, GB & I Lions etc). He wants to not only emulate SBW but be better than him in all aspects. It's possible SB will be back as a RL player in 4 years time, its possible he won't be but either way IMHO he has done all that is possible for him to do in RL. By "doing all is possible" I mean as in what the team he plays for is capable of doing. England got to a WC SF, realistically if we had got to the final would we have won? Would South Sydney of won the NRL GF? I can't say the answer to either question is yes.
I'm annoyed he's gone to RU but I suppose how we as RL fans are feeling now about it is the exact same as to how RU fans felt when RL poached their stars. I hate saying it and I hate doing it but all we can do is grin and bear it.
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif |
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "A quick example from my job which I think is similar to this.
I used to work at Xercise4Less in Wigan but have since moved to another gym, in my new role I have poached members from X4L for my new gym. It's good for business.
Now flip that to AF, in essence he has done/doing the same thing. Poaching RL members for RU. It goes without saying there is considerable difference but I think the general jist is the same. He is just doing his job, however much it may p*ss us all off.
Along with Sam Tomkins, Sam Burgess is a once in a generation player (must be the time of the Sam's). Losing him to RU is an absolute hammer blow to not just UK RL but the NRL. If he could of played SOO would he of stayed? Doubtful. IMO to really cement his star quality as an overall rugby player he needs a World Cup or an international title (be it 6N, GB & I Lions etc). He wants to not only emulate SBW but be better than him in all aspects. It's possible SB will be back as a RL player in 4 years time, its possible he won't be but either way IMHO he has done all that is possible for him to do in RL. By "doing all is possible" I mean as in what the team he plays for is capable of doing. England got to a WC SF, realistically if we had got to the final would we have won? Would South Sydney of won the NRL GF? I can't say the answer to either question is yes.
I'm annoyed he's gone to RU but I suppose how we as RL fans are feeling now about it is the exact same as to how RU fans felt when RL poached their stars. I hate saying it and I hate doing it but all we can do is grin and bear it.'"
If we grin and bear it rahs just burying our heads in the sand and we will go the way of speedway and snooker, we need to round up the wagons and come up with a strategy for the future of the game.
First on the agenda, let clubs spend up to £3,000,000 if they can afford it, if no SL club can as yet then they have the option to if they market themselves well enough, for the money we got for Tomkins and Sams wage we could pay Billy Slater to play for us for 3 years.
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| Quote: post "If we grin and bear it rahs just burying our heads in the sand and we will go the way of speedway and snooker, we need to round up the wagons and come up with a strategy for the future of the game.
First on the agenda, let clubs spend up to £3,000,000 if they can afford it, if no SL club can as yet then they have the option to if they market themselves well enough, for the money we got for Tomkins and Sams wage we could pay Billy Slater to play for us for 3 years.'"
Clubs should be able to spend exactly what they can afford to spend. The likes of Wiga, Warrington, Leeds, St Helens, Salford have the money to spend. It annoys the hell out of me when the RFL won't allow clubs who have for years been sensible with finances, clever in the sales& marketing environment and have the cash to spend are restricted.
Sod bringing us down to Wakey, Cas and London's level. If they can't keep up then tough. It's about time the RFL grew a set IMHO.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Clubs should be able to spend exactly what they can afford to spend. The likes of Wiga, Warrington, Leeds, St Helens, Salford have the money to spend. It annoys the hell out of me when the RFL won't allow clubs who have for years been sensible with finances, clever in the sales& marketing environment and have the cash to spend are restricted.
Sod bringing us down to Wakey, Cas and London's level. If they can't keep up then tough. It's about time the RFL grew a set IMHO.'"
How do you reconcile this with a chairman in IFL who sells players for profit and is opposed to increasing wages? I'm not necessarily saying IL is wrong and it could be that he is holding wages down to help lower clubs but you can't avoid the fact that some of the largest clubs are showing no inclination to increase their costs at all and they are probably prudent to do so. The thing that really frustrates me is that the hierarchy actively prevent money from entering the sport, be it external player endorsements or from benefactors such as Koucash.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Clubs should be able to spend exactly what they can afford to spend. The likes of Wiga, Warrington, Leeds, St Helens, Salford have the money to spend. It annoys the hell out of me when the RFL won't allow clubs who have for years been sensible with finances, clever in the sales& marketing environment and have the cash to spend are restricted.
Sod bringing us down to Wakey, Cas and London's level. If they can't keep up then tough. It's about time the RFL grew a set IMHO.'"
Saints have lost around £10 million since 2000 (they lost over £1 million last year) The game itself needs to be on a better financial footing. Wigan have only started generating a profit in the last four or five years. Sadly the clubs voted for a the new deal without looking at what was available down the line. Lenagan whom I generally support should have voted NO rather than change his mind the day after.
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| Quote: p.thomson69 "Has anyone considered that this isn't just about Bucks.
SBW wants a RU World Cup winners medal, maybe Burges want one as well.
Good luck to him.'"
No - I don't think anyone actually considers this and I can see why.
According to Russel Crowe Sam has gone because he was not permitted to play Origin - I have asked the question before about how much player's in Origin can earn but nobody seems to know - but for me the quality produced in Origin may be because there is more than just state pride on the line.
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| Quote: dany1979 "No - I don't think anyone actually considers this and I can see why.
According to Russel Crowe Sam has gone because he was not permitted to play Origin - I have asked the question before about how much player's in Origin can earn but nobody seems to know - but for me the quality produced in Origin may be because there is more than just state pride on the line.'"
I'm still waiting to see if there's any truth in the rumour that Sam had some kind of bust-up with Souths.
I too find it very difficult to believe that having won constant rave reviews in the crucible of the NRL - where RU is routinely laughed at, especially the Pommie variety - but never having won any actual silverware to prove his credentials, big Sam was suddenly bowled over by the thought of representing England RU; to an extent where it would turn both his and his family's worlds upside down. The idea is almost laughable.
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| First Live Game featuring Wigan on TV in NZ for a very very long time.
Come on Wigan.
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| Bit Grim at half time. Not likely to win but we could claw this back a fair way by cutting out the errors.
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| Quote: TonyM19 "<sigh>
I couldn't care less what he does or says these days. He did the dirty on us and I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it to the Warriors. We are in a whole new scenario now re player loyalty.
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icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper.
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The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them.
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If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "I couldn't care less what he does or says these days. He did the dirty on us and I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it to the Warriors. We are in a whole new scenario now re player loyalty.'"
I entirely agree....
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