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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Haha. Anyone who understands the sport will know that the Meli incident was a pure instinctive reaction. He just through an arm out. It wasn't malicious or intentional and I'm certain that you know that already!
Serious question, which was more dangerous? Meli nearly decapitating Hall or Flower running into Walsh late?

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Haha. Anyone who understands the sport will know that the Meli incident was a pure instinctive reaction. He just through an arm out. It wasn't malicious or intentional and I'm certain that you know that already!
Had Hall stepped Meli maybe I would agree but he didn't. It was an old fashioned "clothes line" tackle. Meli knew what he was doing and got what he deserved.

This was the RFL view.
Rule: 15.1(b) Detail: High Tackle – Intentional – stiff arm tackle – no attempt to tackle legitimately – violent Grade E

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Quote: bazdev "Serious question, which was more dangerous? Meli nearly decapitating Hall or Flower running into Walsh late?'"


I can't take you seriously when you're suggesting decapitation.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Had Hall stepped Meli maybe I would agree but he didn't. It was an old fashioned "clothes line" tackle. Meli knew what he was doing and got what he deserved.

This was the RFL view.
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I disagree. I admit it looked awful, really bad. But haven't played and watched the sport for many years, I know that it was an instinctive reaction. Meli isn't a dirty player, I don't believe there was intent. And are you sure you're watching the same video? Hall quite clearly swerves and changes direction! Take your blinkers off for once!

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I disagree. I admit it looked awful, really bad. But haven't played and watched the sport for many years, I know that it was an instinctive reaction. Meli isn't a dirty player, I don't believe there was intent. And are you sure you're watching the same video? Hall quite clearly swerves and changes direction! Take your blinkers off for once!'"


The RFL didn't think so did they?

What part of intentional stiff arm do you not understand?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "The RFL didn't think so did they?

What part of intentional stiff arm do you not understand?'"


So because a couple of blokes on a panel have an opinion, that makes it factual?

If you didn't think there was anything wrong with something a Wigan player did, and then the disciplinary panel gave him a ban, would your opinion change?

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "So because a couple of blokes on a panel have an opinion, that makes it factual?

If you didn't think there was anything wrong with something a Wigan player did, and then the disciplinary panel gave him a ban, would your opinion change?'"


A couple of completely neutral people, ex players and referees. Not biassed spectators.
If was as obvious as that Meli one I very much doubt it. However it appear that you don't agree with them.

Quelle surprise.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "A couple of completely neutral people, ex players and referees. Not biassed spectators.
If was as obvious as that Meli one I very much doubt it. However it appear that you don't agree with them.

Quelle surprise.'"


I don't, and many people at the time didn't, including Wigan and Hull KR fans.

I'm ok with people disagreeing, that's life. You seem to think everything is clear cut and black and white. It isn't.

You didn't answer my question anyway. If you believed a Wigan player was innocent but was found guilty by the disciplinary panel, would you change your mind?

Try having a conversation without the hostility.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Haha. Anyone who understands the sport will know that the Meli incident was a pure instinctive reaction. He just through an arm out. It wasn't malicious or intentional and I'm certain that you know that already!
having just seen the clip of meli,how you can sit there and say it wasnt malicious or intentional is beyond me! I'm still shaking my head at your reply, meli doesnt even attempt to make a tackle..its a stiff arm direct to halls head.

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I'm with the Giraffe on this one. It was certainly a bad challenge and deserved a red card and a big ban. However i don't understand how anyone can categorically state it was intentional. The only person who would know was Meli. It certainly wasn't the 'reaction' high tackle as Brown was claiming as those occur after a sidestep and the defender sticking out an arm.

I played the game for long enough to know it is possible to stiff arm someone and knock them out without intending to do it it. Sometimes defenders simply get it wrong.

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Quote: wiganstripleL "having just seen the clip of meli,how you can sit there and say it wasnt malicious or intentional is beyond me! I'm still shaking my head at your reply, meli doesnt even attempt to make a tackle..its a stiff arm direct to halls head.'"


Correct, it was a stiff arm to hall's head. However, I am certain that that wasn't Meli's intention. What he did was instinctively throw an arm out when Hall swerved to Meli's right. It was clumsy, ugly and potentially dangerous, but I maintain that it wasn't intentional or malicious.

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Quote: Eastbourne Warrior " those occur after a sidestep and the defender sticking out an arm.

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To be honest mate this is exactly what happened in my opinion.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "To be honest mate this is exactly what happened in my opinion.'"


Not in Meli's case.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwTTgQ_3XE

Above is a prime example of a reaction stiff arm. The attacker completely changes direction and the defender sticks out an arm and takes his head off. That didn't happen in Meli's case as there was no obvious change of direction. Whether intentional or not Meli got it badly wrong and Brown was trying to play it down and defending his player as most coaches do.
Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "To be honest mate this is exactly what happened in my opinion.'"


Not in Meli's case.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwTTgQ_3XE

Above is a prime example of a reaction stiff arm. The attacker completely changes direction and the defender sticks out an arm and takes his head off. That didn't happen in Meli's case as there was no obvious change of direction. Whether intentional or not Meli got it badly wrong and Brown was trying to play it down and defending his player as most coaches do.


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