I thought Chase was very ineffectual today too. Mind, it's the worst Ozzie half back partnership I think I've seen in a long while thank God.

In a way I think its a blessing we didnt win today - theres no way we would beat them twice in one competition so its better to save it for a knock out stage eh

Our strongest team in my opinion would be as follows:

1. Tomkins
2. Charnley
3. Cudjoe
4. Watkins
5. Hall
6. Widdop
7. Sinfield
8. Graham
9. McIlorum
10. G.Burgess
11. S.Burgess
12. Ferres
13. O'Loughlin

14. Roby
15. Hill
16. Mossop
17. Westwood

Chase is massively over rated - did he even play today? The fact that hes crap and not english just adds insult to injury. McIlorum to start and rough the opposition up then bring on roby to do the damage to a tired defence. George and Sam Burgess are just unbelievable, so impressed with their performances, hopefully they can play like that every week in this competition. Our bench let us down today IMO but that one looks a lot stronger. I'd love to see that team play Australia in the final. Yet again though I just wish we had a decent coach.

Thought we played well but feel that they had another gear or two.

I do feel though that saying as though they were given 10 points from stupid play/poor decisions (the Josh call, Ablett stupidly taking Slater out and the chatting back at 22 16) that with Lockers and Graham in there that we could turn New Zealand over.

Why is Sinfield in the team, oh he is the captain, Chase disappeared, Westwood still trying cheap shots, Burgess brothers very impressive, they are big units now, MM has got to start.

Before the game my concern wasn't how good the Aussies are, we know how good they are, I was concerned our pack would be dominated and we'd be clueless with ball in hand. After today I feel confident the ability is there, the pack when back to full strength is more than a match for any team. We just need some belief, keep playing with ball in hand and cut out the silly errors. Do that and we have a chance.

Sam and George had poor games by their high standards.

Sure they drop a ball or two in the NRL , but that was a level below what I was expecting.

Glad they got that out of their systems and will be a much bigger threat next time.

Strong Running game as expected. PLeased to see the fear on Gallens Face after Big George had been pounding their line.

On their game the Aussies don't have a player as destructive as George.

If they bring their NRL form of this season next time ( Tom was unusually very quiet ) they will put the fear of God into the other packs in the manner only those Giants can.

Expecting a lot more from them next hit out.

They're better than that.

Sinfield had a hand in England's first two tries , did you not notice this

From that pack - I would bring back Lockers and Graham and drop Ablett and Mossop.
Widdop or Chase to play alongside Sinfield. Widdop on the bench is a waste of a bench spot. Burrow on the bench gives us enough to cover 7 and 9 and adds something different to the team.

Good day out yesterday. Enjoyed the Italians - they were excellent value, and played a good expansive game. There is no guarantee that NZ would beat them in the QF from what I have seen so far.

He may be a fans favorite down at the Pie Dome but can anybody really suggest that Charnley is a better winger than Briscoe? I am not saying that Charnley had a bad game and is not top winger but come on.

Just to show I am not completely biased in any way, Benny let himself down again giving away too many stupid penalties.
I just don't get Chase, looks great in a poor Cas side but doesn't do enough at the top level, we need Widdop in the halves, I actually prefer Sinfield at loose putting Lockers in the second row instead of Benny for the next outing.

Finally, where was Beep Beep?

Yes they can. What exactly were people expecting Charnley to do? He was basically the same as Hall in that game. Dealt with kicks, worked tirelessly from dummy half and trying to make the most of opportunities. Hall did seem to get the ball in a bit more space than Charnley. Both England wingers were better than Brett Morris.

Josh took his try very well, so for that alone - he justified his place. Neither of the wingers really got the ball much, but both scored when they had the opportunity.
I would keep Benny in, but play him off the bench with Lockers at loose and Burgess in the 2nd row (Lockers is a genuine 13 and playing him at 11/12 would be a waste). Benny has more positives than Ablett and I dont believe that Faz would add anything extra, as he wouldnt get the space/angles created by our halves.
Chase I agree didnt add much.

I am not saying Charnley isn't a good winger and yes he took his opportunity well as he has done all season. It is just that most people I chat to including wiganners (some not all) think Briscoe is a better winger.

Ablett, once again ...... what criteria are employed when picking the team. If it is the ability to niggle and frustrate the opposition then fair enough but other than that .....

Lockers at 13, cannot really disagree about that and he is a fantastic leader on the pitch as well.