Wane needs to take a risk and go with Hampshire at 6 IMO

Seriously?

Wane signed Green and will not drop him.
Last night we lost it in the pack.
Our back three in the forwards of Hansen, Farrell & Flower/Tuson do not have the size, power or skill to overpower most opposition teams let alone Leeds with Peacock in their number.
We need bigger men in the back three to get on top of opposition teams and until we do it will be a struggle.
As for Shaun Wane not being concerned about our form, well he must be the only one who isn't.

Peacock is a prop and one of the primary roles of the opposing props is to take care of him and not leave it to the back row.
During the last few weeks I have thought that Hanson has tackled himself into the ground and it is only tonight that I have wondered why.
When you watch the Wigan defence on our right you will see time and time again Goulding and then Charnley having to drift inside to cover. This in my opinion is because Hanson has to do far more tackling than Farrell on the left because he himself has to come inside to tackle big forwards who drift to their left.

I may not have explained my feelings that well but it is just that Farrell seems to be able to stay that bit wider than Hanson and thereby protect the flanks more.

It seems to be an old problem ,Wigan do not seem to be able in defence to slide to their right as well as they slide to the left.

Wane signed Green and will not drop him.

Sadly you are probably right.

Last night we lost it in the pack.

Maybe, but our backs offered nothing with the ball they got

Our back three in the forwards of Hansen, Farrell & Flower/Tuson do not have the size, power or skill to overpower most opposition teams let alone Leeds with Peacock in their number.

Farrell spent more than half the game in the backs. Hansen is a solid defensive player. Tuson punches above his weight (but needs to, as he is small for a forward).

We need bigger men in the back three to get on top of opposition teams and until we do it will be a struggle.

As for Shaun Wane not being concerned about our form, well he must be the only one who isn't.

Shaun Wane tells pork pies. If you listen to his comments BEFORE the cup final, all players are fully fit. AFTER the cup final there were players playing who shouldn't have. Now at least one of these statments is false.

You can argue with the need, but you cannot argue with the facts. The only logical conclusion is that you cannot believe anything Shaun Wane says.

Not sure if this is directed at me, but if it was:

I said that Greens performance was better than normal............but still falls short on what I would expect from a Wigan number 6.

HTH.

I would play all four of Green, Smith, Sam Tomkins & Hampshire, and also put Sam Powell on the bench against Huddersfield. Doesn't matter what positions we tag these players with, get them on the pitch and try and score more points than the opposition.

The pack were second best, they were turned over and pushed back in the tackle, the backs were playing against a set defence for most of game.

The attack was looking laboured up to and inc the CC final so to see them come up short against Leeds was no surprise. The coaching team have their work cut out to get some much needed energy into the team before Thurs. if the pack cannot stand up to the Giants then another week of slagging off the Green and co will fill the board.

This, this and this. If your pack cant at least hold their own then looking for faults elsewhere is inconsequential really. I have never seen a team come close to winning when the pack was dominated like ours was against Leeds.As many have mentioned I thought Green had a shocker too and did 2 of the worst grubber kicks that I have ever seen, never mind the interception, but all the backs were on an hiding to nothing when the forwards cant even get away from their own try line and cant dominate in the tackle.

Some of our forwards need to man up. Mentally, they come across as soft, unable to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in. They need to start dominating in the tackle and run harder and faster when they've got the ball. When they get dominated our backs have less time on the ball and they're up quickly on the fringes, stopping Tomkins from doing anything. IMO he needs to get involved sooner or Wane needs to come up with some different set pieces. We're way too predictable at the moment...

The team don't seem to relentlessly put pressure on the opposition forwards or try to overwork the players around the ruck area.

We've got some good forwards who can make strong runs but no pressure is built from them. As soon as a good run is made there is generally no one on his shoulder waiting for an offload as the halves are stood well away trying to organise the next sweeping passing move. Those big drives don't seem to be followed by a quick play the ball and another big drive by a forward.

It's as if one good run by a prop is all that's needed and from that point on it's time to swing the ball from left to right, but the good defences aren't going to be troubled by that at all.

You don't find overlaps by throwing the ball wide all the time, you create them by tying players into the middle of the pitch. The most effective way to do that is hammer the players in the middle of the park relentlessly before going wide. The vast majority of overlaps out wide are created in field, by forwards not sliding across quicker in defence, not numbering up correctly or by being too slow retreating from the tackle. It's as if the team has either forgotten this or they are deliberately ignoring it.

Maguire's style at Wigan was ultra conservative - possibly too conservative for Super League, but I'd argue that the set plays put on under Maguire had a much higher success rate. They used to be our try scoring plays - when you knew the team was going for something big. Now cross field passing moves are the default option.

Prop forwards seem to be taking the ball to the line and passing as often as taking a drive. Too often those runs to the line are half hearted and give the game away and it's too easy for defences to slide across and deal with our players out wide.

If the team was a little more willing to do the boring stuff and try to focus the big men down the middle repeatedly or to look for an offload and have players backing up then there might be a bit more space created out wide.

In the cup final there was so much pressure, so much possession and territory but the Hull defenders out wide kept rushing up to cut out the passing moves. It's not surprise because there were never any overlaps being created. They could afford to hold their line when rushing up because there was no risk of a gap being created from a quick pass. Hull did defend well in that game but Wigan made it easy.

we also need a 9 who will add more energy into the game. this is something that Leeds did very well on Thursday. It gets the opposition moving backwards, and so long as you can keep the PTB quick allows the big men an easier opportunity to punch holes.
Leeds slowed down the PTB so that they were able drop back into a settled defensive line, and MM and LT were so slow that the Leeds defence were on top of us before the forwards were hitting their stride.
I think Smith's organisation has been decent and his kicking game very good. But if he and Green are keep receiving the ball with the opposition already in their face, its difficult for them to create much.
Donkey 9s are long gone. The best of the 9s now are live wires. MM has lots of attributes but pace isnt one of them, and having LT on the bench doesnt really change the game plan at all.

Both green and smith were on fire early in the season they have nor been the same since their respective targeted injuries by the opposition

Injurys have nothing to do with it. As much as im no fan of Green he and Smith are being made to look worse because they are playing behind a beaten pack. There are not many half backs that can play behind a beaten pack.

One player who frustrates the hell out of me is Lee Mossop. He runs with hardly any aggression and is easily dealt with by the opposition. He is supposed to be our number 1 prop forward yet he hardly ever causes tacklers problems.