A breach is a breach and you won trophies off the back of it, therefore making these wins null and void.

Haha I suspect you know as well as I do how ridiculous that is.

Must. Try. Harder.

sounds like the St Helens Chairman at the end of each of the last 6 seasons!

I know, I still can't believe Ade Gardner got paid a bonus for playing for GB, talk about adding insult to injury

Fair era?
When some clubs were using EBT's and offshore accounts to circumvent the salary cap. And then of course clubs weren't even because some clubs were allowed to spend more than others.

Did we breach the cap?

I thought it was that massively concrete legal argument of the "spirit" (good luck to the RFL in enforcing that one if we went to court) of the cap.

Maybe Yellow Giraffe knows something that we don't?

Or maybe he IS a "Giraffe"

We all know what Wigan did in order to avoid relegation. You can hide behind terminology if you want, but you know as well as I do that you cheated to survive.

This genuinely made me laugh.

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You lot had a few hefty fines for salary cap breaches, so pot calling kettle black springs to mind.

Read the rest of the thread but you post stuff that's been talked about already. Thanks.

Careful with your language. Wigan did not "cheat". We exploited the rules to the full. Isn't that what everyone does (and should) do in professional sport?

No different to taking the full allotted time to make a conversion, or stealing an extra yard if you can get away with it.

Wigan did not break the CC. Fact.

I will give you the facts.

Wigan deferred the wages of several players e.g. Harrison Hansen so they didn't exceed the cap when signing other players.

There was at the time nothing in the rules to specifically prevent this. In Australia in the NRL it was pretty routine and this was the basis of Wigan's argument when challenged.

Castleford led the charge of indignation against this approach and indignation was all they had because Wigan were not actually breaking the cap or any rules since there weren't any to preclude deferring wages.

The RFL then used the "spirit of the cap" rule to deem Wigan had broken the rules.

Wigan were deducted points but avoided relegation. Maurice Lindsay was going to take the RFL to court over this but said given any case would only occur after the seasons end there was no point pursuing it.

I always felt it was a pity he didn't because I reckon he'd have won, the rules would have been clarified and the stupid catch all of "spirit of the cap" would have to have been removed from the rule book.

That is it in a nutshell. You might not like it but then that would simply be tough luck.

You complained that we talk about winning trophies the past, when it was "Unfair" in your view. But, when i suggested you talk about the last 5 seasons.. Nothing... Which is appropriate.

You cheated, hence your punishment. Very simple.

What makes me laugh is when I pointed out that one of the times that Saints got done was due to payment made to international players, I was told to shut up and we cheated and our achievements in those years were null and void, despite the fact that why we did didn't affect our success that year. However I am supposed to accept the mitigating circumstances in the year that you broke the cap? Very hypocritical.