would be a massive mistake

If our training is as "full on " as wane keeps saying maybe that is a greater intensity than playing 20's football

look how many games it took Hock to get match fitness and Gaz is 4 year younger than Fielden, imo Stu is a lost cause for Wigan

Doubt Fielden will play first team again but more performances like Saturdays from our front rowers may alter that.

It's nice to have the shadow of Fielden, Dudson and Flower lurking in the background. I'd give the four who played on Saturday another chance but we need way more then Lima and inparticular Mossop offered. I'll give Prescott the benefit of the doubt as it was his first game back after injury and I thought Lauaki did ok but no more then that.

Lima needs to start concentrating more because errors have crept in to his game and it's letting him down and Mossop looks totally uninterested at the minute. He's been ok in the nothing games barely breaking sweat and making 100+ metres but in the big games he seems incapable of raising his energy or aggression levels and looks lethargic.

I think you're being a bit unfair in picking on the props, they were just given too much work to do in defence by all our mistakes (and they were no more guilty of handling errors than the rest of the side).

we get it

They certainly weren't on their own for sure but it still doesn't take away from the fact they we're poor. In games like the Warrington one the most important battle is in that front row and ours lost big time. Some of the other performances from guys like Finch, McIlorum and Hansen stank the place out but I just can't get past that front row battle. I thought Hill was sublime but we didn't get in to him, Morley did what he always does to Wigan and rolled over us yet he seems incapable of doing that to many other teams anymore and Wood caused us all sorts of problems yet I believe hasn't had the best of seasons.

I say all that but after watching the highlights of the game i'm actually encouraged. We were so far off the mark it wasn't true yet the trys they scored were very avoidable. Daft knock on's and kick's leading to trys, a forward pass for another and a shocking one on one miss in the build up to the Harrison score.

There wasn't anything that couldn't be fixed up.

this about the props just reenforces my view that the young props will not cope next year without us replacing lima with a top older enforcer.

You can't exactly cant exactly call Precott "young" he's been around the first team for 8-9 years now and is 26 now.

Injuries may determine whether Fielden plays first team again.
Prescott only just back, Mossop, Lima and Lauaki fit with Flower now in contention. If one of them were to get a bad knock then SW could well play Fielden off the bench and give him 10 mins or so each half for his first game.

Props don't usually come into their own till they are about 28.

And he still isn't good enough for Wigan.

Prescott is a very good support act prop.

WHEN he's fit he's the 3rd choice guy who does a job and comes off.

He's good in the team dynamic but you need the right people around him.

Honestly, I can't see why people see him as good. When our starting props are firing in, ripping it up and taking it to the opposition, then come off for a break you expect your bench props to have an equal impact. With Prescott it doesn't happen, we seem to lose that dominance and fire, resulting in us starting to be dominated.

I honestly don't think he is good enough. Simple as that. However, I also realise that he is contracted until 2014 so he will not be leaving us. On that basis I sincerely hope he raises his game.

We must be watching different players because the Prescott I've been watching has been up there with Lima and Mossop when he's fully fit.

He consistently wins collisions and brings players to the ground when they tackle him, he's get the best hands of any of our props and when fully fit he also rarely misses a tackle. He's also a consistent metre maker.

The issue with Prescott has always been getting him fully fit for a good run of games.

It's also perhaps worth pointing out that the suggestion that we lose the dominance of our starting props when Prescott comes off the bench is definitely incorrect. 6 of his 8 appearances have been starting, the only two that he came off the bench were against Wire when he clearly wasn't fit and against Widnes when he had a very good game.