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Quote: stillinthepast "Gingdong are you speaking for all the Fev supporters,or do you all use the same user name.
Not me

Bring as many as possible!

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Quote: Big Man "So why did we not hear one single word from you prior to the Cas game about this subject? What has changed?'"


I'm argueing too, and I raised exactly the same point last year. In fact, I did an article for Drop Goal Rugby League on it. justarugbyfan published it for me.

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Quote: jonny the leyther "I'm argueing too, and I raised exactly the same point last year. In fact, I did an article for Drop Goal Rugby League on it. justarugbyfan published it for me.'"

But seriously though, if your trying to claim that it's only the 5 overseas players instead of 1 that's the big advantage, not the fact that the salary cap is so much bigger, I'm failing to see how your argument could be taken seriously?

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how about we go back to 1895...... It aint going to happen, it's called progression and the lower level clubs should aspire to improve. The cup shouldn't be dumbed down to the level of the weakest in it. Some of the lower league teams get their own "wembley" if they get to the 4th round and get drawn against the so called glamour clubs from superleague. it is a day for their players and fans to cherish.....

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Quote: inside_man "But seriously though, if your trying to claim that it's only the 5 overseas players instead of 1 that's the big advantage, not the fact that the salary cap is so much bigger, I'm failing to see how your argument could be taken seriously?'"


Surely it's better than the rumoured 'handicap' system?

If you were a fan of a smaller club then maybe you'd realise how important the Challenge Cup is in the early rounds. If we upset a Super League club and get a payday in the last 16 or the quarters it could be the difference between a profit and loss at the end of the year financially.

And yes, I know it would make a difference, for example, Leigh played Catalans last year and ran them extremely close, would we have won that game if they could only play one of their overseas players, in my opinion yes.

Did a lot of fans not turn up because they thought it would be a massacre, yes.

Would they have turned up if we had a fighting chance, yes.

Did the fans know we wern't going to win the cup, yes.

Are Wigan fans the most spoiled, blinkered and narrow minded in the game, yes.

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Quote: gingdong "You get me wrong my friend, were in a great state, i just want the same rules applied to every team in the challenge cup. We either all can play 5 overseas players or 1, im not bothered which i just want featherstone and Wigan to play to the same rules'"


Get Fev as full time pros then if you want a level playing field, to isolate just one rule about the overseas quota is a red herring

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Quote: pie.warrior "how about we go back to 1895...... It aint going to happen, it's called progression and the lower level clubs should aspire to improve. The cup shouldn't be dumbed down to the level of the weakest in it. Some of the lower league teams get their own "wembley" if they get to the 4th round and get drawn against the so called glamour clubs from superleague. it is a day for their players and fans to cherish.....'"


How can we improve to be as good as you if we play in the same competition under different rules?

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Quote: pie.warrior "You get me wrong my friend, were in a great state, i just want the same rules applied to every team in the challenge cup. We either all can play 5 overseas players or 1, im not bothered which i just want featherstone and Wigan to play to the same rules'"


Get Fev as full time pros then if you want a level playing field, to isolate just one rule about the overseas quota is a red herring'"


Even then you would have 5 AUSTRALIANS MORE!!!

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And by the way, red herring is probably the wrong idiom to use. Doesn't make sense.

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Quote: jonny the leyther "

Are Wigan fans the most spoiled, blinkered and narrow minded in the game, yes.'"


As opposed to Leigh fans who are the games most bitter huh icon_wink.gif

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Quote: CyberPieMan "icon_eek.gif I know a certain Yorkshire club were in the top flight at the time, but if this isn't tempting fate !?!
Tempting fate? How? I said to win the comp not the tie. There's absolutely no chance of a team from outside of Super League winning the Challenge cup so why dumb it down to suit them? There have always been walkovers in RL and one or five overseas players doesn't make a jot of difference. You cannot put artificial restrictions on games - Top flight clubs plan their playing rosters to see them through the league and cup season. To then say 80% of you overseas contingent are ineligible is pointless and a prime example of the tail trying to wag the dog. Its like saying to a Premiership team that you can't play your overseas players in the FA cup against lower league opposition.

To be honest I'm not sure why I am bothering to reply to some of the plums arguing otherwise. I just thank the Lord for the good of rugby league that these people will never be in a position to make important decisions. Finally as someone has already said, its 17 v 17 at the end of the day irrespective of where those players come from. If lower league clubs were allowed five overseas players they would inevitably be of lower quality so the Super League team would still win in 95% of cases. Its known as the cream rising to the top, although I must admit I do understand how Leythers in particular have difficulty grasping that concept.

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Quote: Big Man "So why did we not hear one single word from you prior to the Cas game about this subject? What has changed?'"


Iv been going on about this for years as have many other people, they keep mentioning the lop sided scorelines in the cup, no one seems to mention on any rugby programme that there are different rules for super league clubs to Championship clubs. Super league clubs are allowed 5 overseas players and Championship clubs 1 in the same cup. It is a massive unfair advantage to super league clubs as though they need it any way, all we want is parity each club plays to the same set of rules, is this really too much to ask?

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Quote: Pie minister "Get Fev as full time pros then if you want a level playing field, to isolate just one rule about the overseas quota is a red herring'"


Bull crap that is there is nothing in the rules preventing us going full time is there, the fact we arnt is because we dont wish too, thats our problem, but the rules state, how many more times for fks sake that your allowed 5 us 1, it STINKS

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Quote: gingdong "Iv been going on about this for years as have many other people, they keep mentioning the lop sided scorelines in the cup, no one seems to mention on any rugby programme that there are different rules for super league clubs to Championship clubs. Super league clubs are allowed 5 overseas players and Championship clubs 1 in the same cup. It is a massive unfair advantage to super league clubs as though they need it any way, all we want is parity each club plays to the same set of rules, is this really too much to ask?'"


I take it you'll also be in favour of Super League clubs entering the Northern Rail cup because by your reckoning it's a little unfair on the Super League sides who are barred from entering. How are we supposed to win it if we aren't allowed to play in it?

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Quote: gingdong "Bull crap that is there is nothing in the rules preventing us going full time is there, the fact we arnt is because we dont wish too, thats our problem, but the rules state, how many more times for fks sake that your allowed 5 us 1, it STINKS'"

But the rules also state, for fks sake, that we are allowed to spend 8 times as much on players as you, if you want "equality" (in the cup ffs, whole point of the thing is you play clubs bigger/smaller than yourself) then sign another £1mil+ worth of players, or force us to play our u-21s.

Such a strange point to make.

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