It's deja vu, all over again!

If Simmons didnt have full control of recruitment then I think to some extent he has been hard done by. The players that have left Saints in the last few years are far superior to those that have been recruited and I can certainly see parallels with Bradford's decline and the way quality players were replaced by poor players.

Also a big problem is that many of the Saints youngsters are no where near as good as people, such as Eddie and Stevo, hype them up to be. Foster has never been good, Makinson seems fairly average as does Dixon and I have always thought that Lomax was very overated and not much of a half back in the organising and creating sense, although he may make a good full back in the Sam Tomkins mode. Gaskell has potential but is still far from the finished article and could still go either way and Wheeler has looked poor this season and is never a centre. These youngsters have did a good job filling in last season but as the number of quality players that Saints have declines more of the youngsters are playing and on the whole they are just not as good as what they are replacing, hence a worse team and the results Saints are getting. Graham papered over many of these cracks but now he is gone the other senior players need to lift their game and show leadership. However again in many cases the senior players that are now at Saints are players that I would have always considered amongst their poorer ones, such as Wilkin, when they had some quality teams or they are just past it such as in the case of Wellens.

..... is great.

Can't help thinking Saints senior players have done a "Chelsea" they didn't like Potters methods now they don't like Simmons ways, hence the old boys network,and they'll end up taking a coach from another club ----again.

Whilst Bradford have had a massive fall from grace, the Leeds Vs Bradford games have still been competitive, with a few being decided in the final few minutes. I think in the last 3 seasons the highest winning margin was 14 points.

They dont get the same hype as they did though and the attendances have been poor for derby games. Indeed I remember for a few years Leeds and Bradford fans tried to say it was the biggest derby in RL, now they dont even try to claim that. That shows how much it has declined as a derby.

That sentence is more insulting than you know.

I think finding a post where Saints fan and Saddened agree is like looking for atlantis, it does not exist. Currently Saints fan is in mourning, where as Saddo is trying to find the grave site of Royce so he can dance all over it.

Except of course when the topic they're posting on is even vaguely Wigan related.
Just like SaintsFan and St Pete.

A united front against a common enemy tends to be the norm then. Sweet really.

Saints to beat Leeds on Saturday, I can feel it!

Jeeeez, thats a poser..... Leeds or Saints to win

I bet they don't.

Mike rush in charge..i doubt it , he is even less liked within the club than the people who have just gone...(don't ask , i just know!!), can't see the team raising their performance for him

I've just seen a leeds fan offering a trade. Leeds to win, in offer of Saints beating Both Wire and Wigan.

Don't fear the reaper, just fear us. We maybe pap, but we can still get your number.