Totally agree, this entire thread is ridiculous. There were far worse players than Goulding yesterday and those that are criticising him are not judging him as they do any other player. The same posters slag Goulding off time and again and seem to actively look for faults in his play and if none can be found just seem to make them up like in this thread. Throw enough mud and it sticks I guess. If people are scrutanising every minute detail of a players play yesterday to find fault then, if there is a thread about Goulding, I find it bizarre that there is no other thread singling out any other player. Unfortunately though this is a thread I predicted when I said pre-season, tongue in cheek, God help Goulding if he doesnt score 4 tries in his first game.

I would love though to see these 3 certain try scoring opportunites that he fluffed that cost us the game. I guess this costing us the game had nothing to do with missed chances on the right with Carmont/Richards, where the ball went far more than the left, or soft missed tackles up the middle. Pre-season the people on here that make Goulding the scapegoat criticised his defence but in both pre-season games and yesterday the right hand side was solid and there have been no tries conceeded down that side. Indeed the Goulding/Charnley partnership on the whole has looked quite promising so far and to me the left and been more of a worry than the right.

As you said Conner,"you cant see after the first game that were good enough".
All last week all we saw on here was "its the first match lets play safe and go with four forwards on the bench".
The answer is HALFBACKS,HALFBACKS BRUDDY HALFBACKS.
As well we have a coach who is obbsessed with size and fitness,there must be an happy medium and someone on the coaching staff has to come foreward and give a case for a more creative game.
Fans on this site when things go wrong allways seem to look for a scapegoat without looking at the root cause of the problem.

OMG.... This thread is a Joke... and typically of my appathy to many of our fans...

The lads 24.. played through the pain barrier for our great club and is trying his best and was by far not the worst player yesterday.. FFS give the guy a chance... Could we please have a season where scapegoats are a thing of the past and appreciate that we have a coaching staff who will pick on form and not on reputation.

I even heard a few boos after yesterdays loss..... I am getting disolutioned with the pathetic nature of some of our so called "fans"... RANT OVER...

"He's 24, give him a chance"

he's had about 5 years in the first team and NEVER impressed at centre, because, he's not a centre. Im not using him as a scapegoat I just look at the starting 13 and immediately pick him out as being our weak link, and im sure plenty of opposing sides coaches look at it and think the same,

As far as I can remember he hasn't had a shot at centre since the BN days and we are 1 game into the season which has seen him (the right hand side) receive very little ball.

I wonder why.

I don't know why people are so uptight about questioning Goulding's position at the club. It's a warrented debate.

People can't deny that he's a very good finishing winger who was unlucky to lose Gleeson and have his wing spot challenged by Charnley who is one of the country's biggest prospects. The fact he has struggled to cement the centre spot for Wigan after 5/6 years in the first team yet gained international honours after one season playing on the wing suggests which position he should be made to fight for.

Nobody is blaming him for the defeat, they're merely questioning whether he is the long term answer for a specific position despite having ample time and opportunities.

I seem to remember similar threads with regards to the Wigan player wearing the no.3 jersey back in 2006.

Quote: WarriorSteve "OMG.... This thread is a Joke... and typically of my appathy to many of our fans... The lads 24.. played through the pain barrier for our great club and is trying his best and was by far not the worst player yesterday.. FFS give the guy a chance... Could we please have a season where scapegoats are a thing of the past and appreciate that we have a coaching staff who will pick on form and not on reputation. I even heard a few boos after yesterdays loss..... I am getting disolutioned with the pathetic nature of some of our so called "fans"... RANT OVER...'" Here you go take a look at the stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Like what 21-12 and abp said he's not a 'scapgoat' just not a centre and i think that link says it all really

Quote: WarriorSteve "OMG.... This thread is a Joke... and typically of my appathy to many of our fans... The lads 24.. played through the pain barrier for our great club and is trying his best and was by far not the worst player yesterday.. FFS give the guy a chance... Could we please have a season where scapegoats are a thing of the past and appreciate that we have a coaching staff who will pick on form and not on reputation. I even heard a few boos after yesterdays loss..... I am getting disolutioned with the pathetic nature of some of our so called "fans"... RANT OVER...'" Here you go take a look at the stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Like what 21-12 and abp said he's not a 'scapgoat' just not a centre and i think that link says it all really

we could do with McAvoy back

Honestly can't remember seeing these chances. If the break isn't on then Goulding needs to take the tackle, quick play the ball and off we go again. The massive problem for us was the overall error rate. How many times did our attack break down, how many tackles were missed in the middle of the park??? This has got to be corrected and if it is, I'm sure we'll do ok.

I just thought I'd bump this to show how slagging a player off after one game is the height of wittery.

That's Charnley, leading try scorer in SL and Goulding who only has 5 players ahead of him in terms of clean breaks. One of our most improved players this season for me. Keep it up Darrell.

That's not a good example for a mod is it.

I was one that didn't think goulding was a centre but he's proving me wrong (so far) re-bump it again at the end of the season and we"ll all have a proper debate.

I think the debates warranted now tbh. We're 10 games in and Daz has been outstanding so far. That is 10 more games then some people thought he was capable of as a centre. His alround game has been exceptional. He's solid as a rock in defence, he's making breaks for fun, he's setting try's up and scoring them and these aren't walk ins either.

He's playing better then Joel Tomkins ever did as a centre for us and tbh I'd actually say his form is at least on a par with what Gleeson achieved here as well.

I don't always agree with Andy ( ) and his typically robust language was a bit much for me, but I agree with the sentiment.

One thing that particularly hacks me off are people slagging off hard working Wiganers playing for this club. (Why don't we just leave the attacks on our own to those outside the club? I will never understand this.)

The ridiculous abuse Lockers has had over the years disgusts me and I've never been happy with the criticism heaped on Goulding. It's great to see him proving the critics wrong.

He's may not be a world beater but British RL isn't exactly overrun with sensational centres and for my money this season he has shown that he's one of the best British players in his position. He's streets ahead of Shenton for starters.