I think the whole idea of the flags/banners & creating a better matchday experience is fantastic & i applaud anyone who has genuinely put their time & effort into doing so . Although it does seem that overtime as the Brigantes have grown the original idea has been somewhat ised by some members who seem more obsessed with trying to cultivate the image of football hooliganism, which will only lead to more dick'eads wanting to get involved & unfortunately when they do stupid things it will reflect badly on the group & club whether they are affiliated with the Brigantes or not.

Absoulute rubbish!!! Who are these "some members", enlighten me.

Expand on the football hooliganism bit please? There has been no violence what so ever since the group formed or any threat of violence at any game. Another MYTH.

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Im sure at Hull KR there was a lad wearing a cherry and white balaclava and yes I know its probably just a joke but it does appear to outsiders as something intimidating and gives the image of hooliganism

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I'm in no way saying the Brigantes are a bunch of violent thugs going around causing trouble or threatening people but the whole 'Ultras' image to most people is football hooliganism so unfortunately that's the way the Brigantes will be seen by many outsiders.

Then it's to us all to "educate" them into what the group is really about.

Then let outsiders think that, Wigan fans know that the Brigantes are not a violent group so what is the problem?

Exactly! The Brigantes have been great with all the work that they've done. The only issue is how they are perceived by other Wigan fans. They are supposed to be inclusive since they aren't trying to set themselves above any other Wigan fan.
However if someone questions whether the ultras term or the flag designs might give the wrong impression to other Wigan fans the reaction is generally to shoot them down or mock them.

If the idea is to create a good atmosphere at Wigan games and get as many people joining is as possible then they would take the concerns seriously and make an effort to distance themselves from 'ultras' and the negative connotations that come with it; at least to begin with, so that people can see what they are really doing rather than being put off.

Sort of, but there was also a thread telling people not to sit near you if they didn't want to sing constantly and jump up and down in favour of actually watching the game.

If a "Don't sit near us" message is not dividing the supporters, then what is?

Sorry, I can't buy into the whole 'Brigantes' thing. We're all Wigan supporters at the end of the day and I'm not being told how I should support them. By all means, sing, dance, wave scarves, provide flags and all the rest of it - it looks fabulous. But I can't help feeling that MORE people would buy in if you didn't put yourselves on some kind pedestal as an 'ultrafan', somehow better than the rest of us, and give yourselves a label.

But maybe that's just me.

I hate agreeing with Fear The Vee, but this is spot on, in my opinion. Wigan fans are Wigan fans.

Just want to say that i have nothing whatsoever to do with the group in question, but i think some others on here may have been awaiting the chance to have a pop at them.

Ok, so one person has used an aerosol as far as we know, and? The police are unable to "Police" many things, what do you expect rugby fans to do if other peoples kids are badly brought up!

My feelings were that when people were mentioning that they would be in a certain area to encourage good natured singing and chanting, it was being done as a common curtesy to other people, and not to create an "us and them" situation as has been suggested. But if you are so paranoid as to think that, maybe you need phyciatric (SP) help with that. You could say that the Skull was a little "misjudged", but other than that i think its a shame that people feel this is worthy of getting all hot and bothered about.

Get a life for goodness sake!!!

BTW, i am an old fart....

Robinson, its not a 'don't sit with us' in that way. It's more 'this is what is being done in this area, if you're not up for it, you may want to sit somewhere else'. If you catch my drift. That's also the idea of 1 location, so people know where its happening.

Unfortunately, on a written forum some people have issues expressing themselves in writing, and some have issues with how they read things. Misunderstandings are common place on internet media.

so has it affected people who already sat in said area/s who didnt want to join in? have they been 'forced' to move?