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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Sam ran 235 metres from FULLBACK on Friday, that's probably the highest from any player in a single Superleague match this season.

However today I think he may have beat it, I'm sure Bilko will tell us once the stats are released.'"


He is quality when he doesn't just die at the defenders feet. He needs to run round the edges of the defenders more often. He is still a better 6 though. He gets caught coming into the line EVERY TIME.

Putting the words FULLBACK in capitals doesn't make him better in that position despite him still being a huge threat from the position.

Alot of his awesome off the cuff rugby today was from second receiver.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "John Kear in his post match interview on radio Leeds said that Sam Tomkins was the big difference in todays sides,
He was a class apart.'"


No one questions his class, they just think he'd be better served playing at 6.

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Quote: P-J "No one questions his class, they just think he'd be better served playing at 6.'"


The problem is that Sam is our best option at both full-back AND stand-off so this debate is going to keep happening until that situation changes

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Quote: dirtbag83 "The problem is that Sam is our best option at both full-back AND stand-off so this debate is going to keep happening until that situation changes'"


From a neutral point of view I think him playing at full back allows him more freedom to generate some speed before he meets the first line of defence. There were a number of times where we kicked today and by the time the defensive line was up on him he was already motoring and a side step or a shimmy later and he was through the defence or at least allowing you a quick play the ball whilst we were still trying to get the defence set.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Sam ran 235 metres from FULLBACK on Friday, that's probably the highest from any player in a single Superleague match this season.

However today I think he may have beat it, I'm sure Bilko will tell us once the stats are released.'"


Has Roby not ran over that in any match? He usually makes a good amount of yards.

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Quote: Mr.Side "Has Roby not ran over that in any match? He usually makes a good amount of yards.'"

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Roby made 281m against Wakefield. Hopefully see tomorrow if Sam's beaten that.

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Sam was superb today. Great bit of skill for Charnley's try. Wish he could have got over himself after that solo effort a few minutes beforehand.

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Where this myth that Sams defense is weak comes from i dont know. His defense is excellent for his size. Of course if someone breaks through our line with support, 9 times out of 10 they are gonna get past him, like anyone else in that position. If it was a 1 on 1 though I would have confidence everytime. Still got that vivid image in the grand final of his 1 v 1 tackle on Matty Smith. He would be more than fine at 6 in regards to tackling. Which is where he should play icon_razz.gif

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Quote: Pat's big right boot "Where this myth that Sams defense is weak comes from i dont know. His defense is excellent for his size. Of course if someone breaks through our line with support, 9 times out of 10 they are gonna get past him, like anyone else in that position. If it was a 1 on 1 though I would have confidence everytime. Still got that vivid image in the grand final of his 1 v 1 tackle on Matty Smith. He would be more than fine at 6 in regards to tackling. Which is where he should play
He made some cracking 1 on 1 tackles in the play-off semi final at Leeds last year!

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I do not have a problem with Sams defence, his ability under the high all is not the best, but at Sl level it is acceptable.

I personally feel he needs to get his hands on the ball as much as possible in an attacking position. At 1 he relies on others to get the ball to him, at 6 he is the master of his own destiny.

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Quote: jonh "I do not have a problem with Sams defence, his ability under the high all is not the best, but at Sl level it is acceptable.

I personally feel he needs to get his hands on the ball as much as possible in an attacking position. At 1 he relies on others to get the ball to him, at 6 he is the master of his own destiny.'"


i completly agree,
i also think that he is a player that plays on instinct rather than thinking about the play, he just does it and it works, i dont think he knows what he is going to do next let alone everyone else.
if he is at full back he is met everytime with a wall of players, when he is at 6 he is up in the line, loads of protection, and he can read the game better that way, and mayb this will help get rid of his greedy side.

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Quote: Dave26 "He made some cracking 1 on 1 tackles in the play-off semi final at Leeds last year!'"


He saved a try today from a big fella running at the line...

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Sam's defence is superb!
I remember one set last season where he made every single tackle!

Forget which match it was in but I bet someone on here can remember it. Hes superb regardless of his size

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Quote: jonh "I do not have a problem with Sams defence, his ability under the high all is not the best, but at Sl level it is acceptable.

I personally feel he needs to get his hands on the ball as much as possible in an attacking position. At 1 he relies on others to get the ball to him, at 6 he is the master of his own destiny.'"


Just depends, once again on the structure of the team, I just fear Sam would be too much of a provider as a first receiver whereas as a FB he's running onto the ball almost given a free role in attacking linking up in the line to where he feels he can do most damage.

Until we get a strong FB I feel he's best there. Sadly, for whatever reason Roberts isn't even shinning in the reserves.

I feel you watch the NRL as I do, such a different class of FB to what we have over here currently.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Just depends, once again on the structure of the team, I just fear Sam would be too much of a provider as a first receiver whereas as a FB he's running onto the ball almost given a free role in attacking linking up in the line to where he feels he can do most damage.

Until we get a strong FB I feel he's best there. Sadly, for whatever reason Roberts isn't even shinning in the reserves.

I feel you watch the NRL as I do, such a different class of FB to what we have over here currently.'"


Sam for me is being used as a "best fit" NRL style fullback rather than a natural actual fullback.

Widdop would be a great signing for any team next year for mine, having a great season at 6 for the Storm, would be more than happy to sacrifice Finch who had a good game today for him.

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