I spotted flaws in warringtons game suprisingly in the challenge cup final in that due to them having such a big pack they do tire around the ruck and struggled to get back. It was blindingly obvious to everyone but the leeds team that if they got quick play the balls and got on a roll they would make good yards.

Look what saints do against wire so well, they hit them on the back of pressure with a quick burst from the ruck, graham in particular passes quite alot towards the ruck against wire and watch time and time again roby jumps. Tiring the wire pack out.

The question is can wire beat saints twice? I don't think they will and if they do it will take a hell of alot of energy out of them in doing so.

We need to think that every week is a final and play up to the intensity and use the DW crowd as a lifter. If we do this I would fancy our chances against everyone. Our defence needs to be as a unit as it was at knowsley road, HJ and has been through out most of the season. If this happens this takes away leeds broken play threat.

Leeds for me look out on their feet. and we need to take advantage of this by hammering them this week.

I see it going like so:

Wigan beat Leeds
Wire beat Saints
Hudds beat Crusaders
F.C beat K.R

Leeds beat Hudds
Saints beat F.C

Wigan beat Leeds
Wire beat Saints

Then its a Wigan-Warrington final, they would be favourites but anything can happen if we get within 80 mins of the trophy. Warrington may well be sapped from winning the cup and having to play saints twice, whereas we woulld have the easier run in

I think we do have what it takes - to make the GF. To win SL, I'm not too sure. I couldn't tell you why either, but I think it takes a monumental effort to make the GF and then to win it an even bigger effort.

I want to believe we can, and of course I'll still be shouting for us 100% of the way but I'm not too sure if we can win it this year or whether it's a year too early.

Oh how I would LOVE to be proved wrong

the final is in just over 3 weeks time and it that time Saints and Wire will probably have to play each other twice. Now we all know how intense these games are and i wouldn't be surprised if the winner of them 2 has nothing left in the tank come GF day. Also remember that one of them will prob have to play Hull in between all that aswell. I can see Wire beating Saints but using that much emotion in beating them may cost them the GF. We all saw what happened after they came to our place and beat up our one man pack - they lost 2 in a row.

I hope they do win the GF but... they have lost 4 HOME games this season a indication of a team with bottlers is the current sqaud

Saints chances have increased ever so slightly with the addition of a 7 with a kicking game to cover injuries - Matty Smith back with Saints until the end of the season.

So what you're saying is, if you don't win it this year, you'll win it next year?

Theres no such thing as a year too early. You have to win grand finals when you get the chance.

You could lose to warrington in this years grand final then lose to them again next year.

You lost back to back grand finals in 00 and 01, saints have lost 3 grand finals on the trot to leeds.

Theres no such thing as a year too early, you have to win grand finals when you get the chance.

they might mean they're bottlers in big games? few of the games we've lost have been 'big' games, Saints, Wire, Leeds (cup)

And we have also beaten them its all down to how wants it more in a Final.

Not really.

You don't win grand finals on desire.

Saints will have been desperate last year after losing the past 2.

I'm inclined to think warrington and saints are more likely to put in ''the performance'' than wigan.

I don't know why either. Gut feeling.

The only game you've bottled in recent years is catalans semi.

Losing against evenly matched rivals is not bottling.

If we cut out our silly penalty's then we will win no problem stupid mistakes have lost us both those games.

I wouldn't go that far, but it'd be a start!