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Quote: Odemwingie "My point is that not much needed doing at Warrington, they had the players, the fans, everything all a new coach needed to do is settle the players down and give them some confidence. It has not been a special job at Warrington, it was ready made for a coach to come in and do a good job. Turning England around is a different matter which is a lot harder and is why I will judge him on that.'"


You do know we lost about 10 in a row before smith came in?

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Wire_85 "You do know we lost about 10 in a row before smith came in?'"


That line was not the only one in my post, read the rest of it and you can clearly see my point.

He is a good coach but many other coaches could of done the same, it was no amazing turn around you have great players already.

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Quote: Odemwingie "That line was not the only one in my post, read the rest of it and you can clearly see my point.

He is a good coach but many other coaches could of done the same, it was no amazing turn around you have great players already.'"


Yeah ok ice cream cone.

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Quote: Odemwingie "My point is that not much needed doing at Warrington, they had the players, the fans, everything all a new coach needed to do is settle the players down and give them some confidence
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You're talking as if their players are world beaters! Sure, they have some household names, but man for man, they aren't a side that would seem a major threat to anyone.

You've ignored my point about Leeds. A direct comparison. Fan base, Stadium, money,players - guess who turned it round after 20 years? Tony Smith.

Its apparant on here that Wigan were fortunate to get rid of Mathers, and your fans seem pleased with his replacement at full back and wouldn't swap him. You have taken the GB centre AWAY from Warrington, clearly weakening them. Micky Higham was surplus to requirements at Wigan, so thats another reject.


Quote: Odemwingie " It has not been a special job at Warrington, it was ready made for a coach to come in and do a good job
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Complete and utter disrespect for a coach like Tony Smith, and I'm glad he never landed at Wigan and you've wasted all that money on Noble.

Unlucky

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[color=#FF4000:3htgpm5r][quote:3htgpm5r]I read that Leeds-Bradford is an airport and that Wigan-St Helens is a rivalry. It's one I can't wait for[/quote:3htgpm5r] Ryan Hoffman [quote:3htgpm5r]After all, rugby league has a history of ideas that appear madcap at first but are taken up elsewhere, usually by rugby union[/quote:3htgpm5r] Christopher Irvine - The Times [quote:3htgpm5r] Wire fans, like Leeds fans, are fickle as feck, and mostly glory supporters. [/quote:3htgpm5r] Sherbert Dip - Leeds Fan [quote:3htgpm5r]I will never forget that atmosphere at Knowsley Road on Good Friday when the final hooter sounded. On behalf of all the fellas thank you so much for being the greatest fans in the world.[/quote:3htgpm5r] Phil Bailey[/color:3htgpm5r]:



Quote: RescuedBlue "Load of rubbish

"Any Coach" doesn't go in and turn a club around

As a Leeds fan I have great experience of this. We used to be very much like Warrington. We chucked money at everything. Finally in the 90's we assembled a fantastic looking squad, Alan Tait, Richie Eyres, Ellery Hanley, Garry Schofield, Gary Mercer - the only thing missing was a "great coach"

Bearing in mind we had already failed under Mal Reilly (who had a bit of success with GB and won an NRL title in Oz) we appointed Doug Laughton, who had broken Wigans dominance (as you should well know) with his great Widnes side.

He failed miserably

It takes a great coach to turn around a big ship thats sinking, and Tony Smith is just that, no matter how your club bias comes into it'"


I dont agree. Look what Jimmy Lowes did when he first took over from Cullen, ask any Wire fan if they think Lowes is a good coach

Wire are a good team waiting to happen, look at their playing squad, Morley, Carvell, King, Monoghan. Then Riley looks like he'll be a good 'un, as does Tyrone Mcarthy. Harrison is going great stuff

I'm not doubting smith's ability to coach, but it will be clearer after the "honeymoon" period is over just how good a job he has done.

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Quote: Batesy "I dont agree. Look what Jimmy Lowes did when he first took over from Cullen, ask any Wire fan if they think Lowes is a good coach

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Fook me we was a class team all along why didn't you lot tell us icon_lol.gif

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[color=#FF4000:3htgpm5r][quote:3htgpm5r]I read that Leeds-Bradford is an airport and that Wigan-St Helens is a rivalry. It's one I can't wait for[/quote:3htgpm5r] Ryan Hoffman [quote:3htgpm5r]After all, rugby league has a history of ideas that appear madcap at first but are taken up elsewhere, usually by rugby union[/quote:3htgpm5r] Christopher Irvine - The Times [quote:3htgpm5r] Wire fans, like Leeds fans, are fickle as feck, and mostly glory supporters. [/quote:3htgpm5r] Sherbert Dip - Leeds Fan [quote:3htgpm5r]I will never forget that atmosphere at Knowsley Road on Good Friday when the final hooter sounded. On behalf of all the fellas thank you so much for being the greatest fans in the world.[/quote:3htgpm5r] Phil Bailey[/color:3htgpm5r]:



Quote: RescuedBlue "

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wire go on a bit of a winning run once Lowes was appointed?

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Quote: Batesy "Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wire go on a bit of a winning run once Lowes was appointed?'"


Clearly not enough of one if he aint the coach now icon_wink.gif

One things for sure, he didn't win them the Challenge Cup at Wembley.

As if Lowes is a patch on Smith as a coach BTW icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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[color=#000000:1qsyq8gi]Wigan Warriors 2010:[/color:1qsyq8gi] [color=red:1qsyq8gi]Super League Champions League Leaders Under 20's Champions Club of The Year Floodlit 9's Winners Pat Richards: Man Of Steel Sam Tomkins: Young Player of the Year Michael Maguire: Coach of the Year[/color:1qsyq8gi] [quote="Wire_91":1qsyq8gi]its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are[/quote:1qsyq8gi]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26076.jpg



I think Tony Smith is a fantastic coach. Look what he's done with Mathers, he couldnt break wind at Wigan and at Warrington Tony Smith has basically saved his career, I wish we had Smith as our coach.

Some of the attitude from Wigan fans has embarrassed me today, its like they are turning into Wire fans with the bitterness. Warrington played a good game, and it was Smith who won it for them. From 10 losses in a row at the beginning of the year to a win at wembley just a few months later (they didnt have an easy route either) is incredible. Albeit their league form hasnt really seen much improvement but with 10 losses at the beginning of the season it was lost already so they threw all their eggs in one basket and it worked.

They will either go one way or the other now, they will either end up like Hull FC few finals here and there but not really threatening to take over SL or they could end up like Leeds, they have the talent there, will be interesting to see if Myler can take over Briers when he eventually leaves.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Mother Feka "I think Tony Smith is a fantastic coach. Look what he's done with Mathers, he couldnt break wind at Wigan and at Warrington Tony Smith has basically saved his career, I wish we had Smith as our coach.

Some of the attitude from Wigan fans has embarrassed me today, its like they are turning into Wire fans with the bitterness. Warrington played a good game, and it was Smith who won it for them. From 10 losses in a row at the beginning of the year to a win at wembley just a few months later (they didnt have an easy route either) is incredible. Albeit their league form hasnt really seen much improvement but with 10 losses at the beginning of the season it was lost already so they threw all their eggs in one basket and it worked.

They will either go one way or the other now, they will either end up like Hull FC few finals here and there but not really threatening to take over SL or they could end up like Leeds, they have the talent there, will be interesting to see if Myler can take over Briers when he eventually leaves.'"


I would not mind Warrington being at the top of our game for a while, it would make a change to st helens or leeds but I can't see it. This mentality of 'we don't care what happens cause we won the cup' is not how saints have become so succesful.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I would not mind Warrington being at the top of our game for a while, it would make a change to st helens or leeds but I can't see it. This mentality of 'we don't care what happens cause we won the cup' is not how saints have become so succesful.'"


Yeah they could go 2 ways like i said but who knows...we will only find out next year, full pre season under tony smith and the confidence of winning the cup behind them they should push on, no excuses!

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Quote: Mother Feka "I think Tony Smith is a fantastic coach. Look what he's done with Mathers, he couldnt break wind at Wigan and at Warrington Tony Smith has basically saved his career, I wish we had Smith as our coach.

Some of the attitude from Wigan fans has embarrassed me today, its like they are turning into Wire fans with the bitterness. Warrington played a good game, and it was Smith who won it for them. From 10 losses in a row at the beginning of the year to a win at wembley just a few months later (they didnt have an easy route either) is incredible. Albeit their league form hasnt really seen much improvement but with 10 losses at the beginning of the season it was lost already so they threw all their eggs in one basket and it worked.

They will either go one way or the other now, they will either end up like Hull FC few finals here and there but not really threatening to take over SL or they could end up like Leeds, they have the talent there, will be interesting to see if Myler can take over Briers when he eventually leaves.'"


You f***"$@% non-one eyed Mother F*%^^$*$* Pie Eating Mother&*&%^(&%&((%& how come you *&*%$#%( going against your own fans??!! icon_evil.gif

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Good points. And yep, Smith might just be a "kick start" for the club. They might not be title challengers, but I tell you what, Tony Smith can certainly make average players into winners, so he doesn't need much to work with (look at Chev Walker, Mark Calderwood, Ryan Bailey, Richie Mathers, Andrew Dunneman; under Smith - I rest my case)

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[color=#FF4000:3htgpm5r][quote:3htgpm5r]I read that Leeds-Bradford is an airport and that Wigan-St Helens is a rivalry. It's one I can't wait for[/quote:3htgpm5r] Ryan Hoffman [quote:3htgpm5r]After all, rugby league has a history of ideas that appear madcap at first but are taken up elsewhere, usually by rugby union[/quote:3htgpm5r] Christopher Irvine - The Times [quote:3htgpm5r] Wire fans, like Leeds fans, are fickle as feck, and mostly glory supporters. [/quote:3htgpm5r] Sherbert Dip - Leeds Fan [quote:3htgpm5r]I will never forget that atmosphere at Knowsley Road on Good Friday when the final hooter sounded. On behalf of all the fellas thank you so much for being the greatest fans in the world.[/quote:3htgpm5r] Phil Bailey[/color:3htgpm5r]:



Quote: RescuedBlue "
As if Lowes is a patch on Smith as a coach BTW
If you'd have looked up, you would have seen the point fly over your head. I wasn't saying Lowes was as good as Smith, I'm saying we should judge Smith after the honey moon period is over.

BTW, this is the same Smith that won us the world cup right? imo his tactics for the world cup where well off.

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Quote: Batesy "If you'd have looked up, you would have seen the point fly over your head. I wasn't saying Lowes was as good as Smith, I'm saying we should judge Smith after the honey moon period is over.

BTW, this is the same Smith that won us the world cup right? imo his tactics for the world cup where well off.'"


The honeymoon period? He's just won Warrington the Challenge Cup. I doubt anyone connected with the club cares if they don't win another game all season. There's 2 major trophies on offer at the beginning of a season and he's won one of them.

Oh and judging him on the International scene is pathetic jealousy seeping through your skin. The British game is in a mess as well you know. Do you think us Leeds fans disregard the Championships and World Championsips he has brought us just because he's not Jesus and couldn't miracle up some wins against the Kiwis and Aussies?

Have a word with yourself!

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