But i thought it was so obviously simple to some fans that we just play tommy at 9 and the world will be rosy, just like we should play ainscough and we'll score trys for fun

You summed it up perfectly by saying "thats sport", things don't always work out the way you plan, expect, or would like. We lost a game, it's not the end of the world

Noble has to learn lessons from this year if he's going to stay next year.

Players 'must' be picked on merits......forget the age, forget the reputations, they have to be picked when they're in form and players that are out of form don't play.

I'd have picked Roberts and Feka today because they're experienced and have only had 1 poor week last week against Saints. After today they've had 2 nightmares on the trot and thats enough to be left out of the side imo. We have Mossop and Ainscough that deserve a crack and both should come in next week.

Thats send out a message that they're ruthless and that players must preform to keep their places.

Gleeson was as bad for you as those Fielden and Paleaseena. He was barely noticed and was totally dominated by King who scored an hat trick. Gleeson too takes up a big chunk of your cap from next year and considering your weaknesses in the forwards he was a very strange signing to make. Did no one at Wigan think why Warrington was so keen to get rid?

He is just another example of Wigan signing a player based on name rather than how he has actually performed for the last few season at his club.

There ain't a cat in hells chance that Roberts or Fielden are going to be dropped next week.

I was thinking about this... I know players have to earn a living, but it is pretty obvious that fielden is our 4th best prop... should he not be going to lenegan and saying, "I am sorry that I am crap and I feel that I deserve a pay cut, so that we can go out a buy a decent prop next year"... I know money rules the world but I couldnt hold my head up in that dressing room knowing how crap I was and being paid that ammount of money.... which ultimately stops the team progressing to the next level.... players are all too quick to go and look for a raise when they are playing well... maybe when they are consistently poor year after year they should be docked money....

or do I live in fantasy land

No because I work hard and my performances compared to my collegues who do the same job as me are a lot better... therefore I can hold my head up high... I know its fantasy land stuff to expect fielden to do this... but hey hes on probably 250k... and I am on about 32k ... bit of a difference....

Like I said "money" rules the world unfortunately....

its funny how these threads peak after a defeat

Not really.

But would you ask for a pay cut if you felt you were not performing upto your potential?

Like I said there is a bit of a difference in income... but if I consistently over a period of 2-3 years have performed below my "world class" wages... then I don't think I could hold my head up too high in the dressing room knowing that a 21year old is playing me off the park and my wages may be the difference between signing a true world class player and sticking with the same squad, it would certainly make me think.... I knwo I live in fantasy land with this... and if its as much as a "team" sport and players are as devoted to the team as we think they are.., then surely it becomes more of a possibility... if money didnt rule the world... then would stuart go and ask for a drop in his wages if it was for the good of the "Team"......

32k ? You overpaid git

Lend us a tenner

Its simple:

1. Noble must go. The sooner the better.

2. The new coach must play the best players regardless of age or reputation. Farrell and Robinson were played in a great Wigan side at 17 (I accept that they were extraordinarily gifted and benefited from playing with other players of similar talent who could ease their passage into top flight rugby but we must do more to bring on our talented players - there is no excuse for not playing the likes of Mossop, Flanagan and S Tomkins (who only got a run in the side because of the injury to Smith) or for denying Ainscough a game on the basis he is suspect under high kicks, only to play Roberts who is woefully weak in that area anyway...).

3. We must raise standards of fitness. Feka and Riddell are not fit enough. Feka in particular was exposed today.

4. The new coach should be given the remit to clear out backroom staff and assistant coaching staff as he sees fit.

how embarrassing was fielden today, i knew as soon as he got whacked off morley we would never see him for the rest of the match.