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| Quote: jonh "Back on topic, i fail to see exactly how Locky cannot be accepted as a 13, what more does he need to add to his game. I was once in the stick him in the secondrow camp but he has proven himself in my opinion to have every trait a 13 needs.
Would love an explanation as to why some posters think he is still not a 13.'"
There hasn't been an explanation. Probably because there isn't one. I've seen a few misguided opinions though...do they count? |
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| Quote: NickyKiss "
When people talk about Joel Tomkins moving to 13 what do we think he'll bring to the position that Lockers can't?'"
That isn't the right question IMO. The right question is IMO will the team be better with Lockers at 11 or 12 and Joel at 13 as opposed to the other way around.
It's about the team not individuals.
I definitely think it is worth a try for three reasons:
Lockers plays great in the 2nd row for GB
Joel plays much better at 13 than in the 2nd row, he played very well tonight when Lockers went off and did so last season when Lockers was injured.
Moving Lockers to 2nd row will help make up for the loss of Hock.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "There hasn't been an explanation. Probably because there isn't one. I've seen a few misguided opinions though...do they count?'"
Only if backed up with mature debate and accurate spelling, so on this thread........No.   |
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| Quote: DaveO "That isn't the right question IMO. The right question is IMO will the team be better with Lockers at 11 or 12 and Joel at 13 as opposed to the other way around.
It's about the team not individuals.
I definitely think it is worth a try for three reasons
He did play well tonight but again i felt he played the game of a secondrow filling in for a natural 13.
Took his try well but again it came from a secondrow channel run.
Not directed at you but it seems to me the same people that dispare at the death of the creative 13 seem to want Locky pushed forward and Tomkins given the job, when in truth Locky is a far more complete player in all aspects of his creativity and natural "oldschool" 13 game.
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| Quote: DaveO "That isn't the right question IMO. The right question is IMO will the team be better with Lockers at 11 or 12 and Joel at 13 as opposed to the other way around.
It's about the team not individuals.
I definitely think it is worth a try for three reasons
Tomkins had to play 13 because Lockers was out last year and did a very good job but i think it's because he'd built up a great relationship with Barrett and getting regular games helped the 2 of them work on that relationship. He'd have built the same playing from second row imo.
Without Barrett he's struggled because nobody seems able to find him with the supply of balls that Barrett could. He's a great runner of the ball that hits gaps and has pace to get through them but unlike Lockers he doesn't do alot of the things expected of an out and out 13 like the kicking and passing.
Joels a wide running second rower and Lockers is a loose forward.....end of story imo.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Tomkins had to play 13 because Lockers was out last year and did a very good job but i think it's because he'd built up a great relationship with Barrett and getting regular games helped the 2 of them work on that relationship. He'd have built the same playing from second row imo.
Without Barrett he's struggled because nobody seems able to find him with the supply of balls that Barrett could. He's a great runner of the ball that hits gaps and has pace to get through them but unlike Lockers he doesn't do alot of the things expected of an out and out 13 like the kicking and passing.
Joels a wide running second rower and Lockers is a loose forward.....end of story imo.'"
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| Quote: jonh "He did play well tonight but again i felt he played the game of a secondrow filling in for a natural 13.
Took his try well but again it came from a secondrow channel run.
Not directed at you but it seems to me the same people that dispare at the death of the creative 13 seem to want Locky pushed forward and Tomkins given the job, when in truth Locky is a far more complete player in all aspects of his creativity and natural "oldschool" 13 game.'"
Stop talking sense. |
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Bailey defo called over???
Lockers leads the team out tho?
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Tomkins had to play 13 because Lockers was out last year and did a very good job but i think it's because he'd built up a great relationship with Barrett and getting regular games helped the 2 of them work on that relationship. He'd have built the same playing from second row imo.
Without Barrett he's struggled because nobody seems able to find him with the supply of balls that Barrett could. He's a great runner of the ball that hits gaps and has pace to get through them but unlike Lockers he doesn't do alot of the things expected of an out and out 13 like the kicking and passing.'"
I don't agree about the fact he made a go of being a 13 all because of Barrett. I think you do him a bit of a disservice.
I also think the fact he had his best game for us for a while tonight playing most of it at 13 is no coincidence.
However I want to reiterate the point it isn't about individuals but what is best for the team and as I said I think it well worth a try swapping them about.
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| Quote: DaveO "I don't agree about the fact he made a go of being a 13 all because of Barrett. I think you do him a bit of a disservice.
I also think the fact he had his best game for us for a while tonight playing most of it at 13 is no coincidence.
However I want to reiterate the point it isn't about individuals but what is best for the team and as I said I think it well worth a try swapping them about.
Dave'"
I don't mean to do the lad down because i rate him highly but i thought the relationship with Barrett and him getting regular games was more of a factor in his good form last season then him playing 13 instead of second row.
I just believe at the moment we have the form 13 in superleague and really wouldn't want to risk that form by moving him away from the position.
Both are fine players. |
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Back on topic:
Bailey is one of the players most of the posters on here want rid. All of a sudden Hock 'leaves' and Bailey plays up and is being touted as a player we should keep.
The fickleness of our fans is astounding.
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Was he British I'd say keep him. Good club man, gives his all and you can depend on him. Never does anything flashy, but rarely lets you down.
However we need to look for more than that in our imports and start to get some match winners.
Good player, good guy, but he doesn't have the quality to warrant a quota space.
However who's to say what IL thinks..
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| Quote: ChrisA "Was he British I'd say keep him. Good club man, gives his all and you can depend on him. Never does anything flashy, but rarely lets you down.
However we need to look for more than that in our imports and start to get some match winners.
Good player, good guy, but he doesn't have the quality to warrant a quota space.
However who's to say what IL thinks..'"
I totally agree.
Just wish he was GB, but he's not, I'd keep him if he reduced his wage, if it is what everyone thinks, his personality is having a great impact on S. Tomkins both on and off the field, trust me
As for the Locker's not being Captain!!  Whatever, I must have heard Locker's scream 5/6 times at the team in teh 1st half, unusual if you ask me, the loss of Hock, as had a huge impact on him, and it's a real shame that he's picked this injury up.  |
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| Quote: ChrisA "However who's to say what IL thinks..'"
Bailey will be released, we need a winger |
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| Quote: Smooth Stu "Back on topic
Not by me, at the moment i still think he should go, but he has upped his game since Hock has gone, much more responsibility to perform.
Bailey should only be retained in my opinion if our recruitment has gone wrong and there is cap and quota space for him, but had he been playing for the last few years like he has of late then he would have been a certainty for a new deal.
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