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Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Monaghan is in the second year of a four year deal. Why would he be receiving an extension?'"


All the talk seems to be about his leaving assumed his deal was up, so the question is why is he leaving?

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Quote: jonh "Got some pretty strong links with the Salford clubs and the fact of the matter is there are 2 offers on the table for him at the moment.'"


2 offers from clubs other than Salford?

I would love to think Offiah would tip it in our favour, but I dont think IL has the courage to complete the transfer nor am I naive enough to think cash won't be king here.

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Quote: jonh "All the talk seems to be about his leaving assumed his deal was up, so the question is why is he leaving?'"


It's always been open to debate whether he has really settled here.

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Quote: AJ "2 offers from clubs other than Salford?
I would love to think Offiah would tip it in our favour, but I dont think IL has the courage to complete the transfer nor am I naive enough to think cash won't be king here.'"


yes, but before anyone asks i do not know who.

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Quote: jonh "yes, but before anyone asks i do not know who.'"


Wasn't going to. Interesting though. If one wasn't us, questions need to be asked.

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Quote: AJ "2 offers from clubs other than Salford?

I would love to think Offiah would tip it in our favour, but I dont think IL has the courage to complete the transfer nor am I naive enough to think cash won't be king here.'"


No matter how much of a soft spot Offiah has for Wigan he will be trying to get the best deal for his client, earn the most money in this deal for himself and also maximise profits on Myler over the long term.

We can’t ignore that Tony Smith will be a big figure in Myler’s professional life either. This is the current England coach we are talking about who picked Myler last season when he was in in NL1. He’s shown faith in him in the past and Myler has done well under him as well.

We would have a massive task to talk Myler to come here over Warrington.

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Quote: AJ "2 offers from clubs other than Salford?

I would love to think Offiah would tip it in our favour, but I dont think IL has the courage to complete the transfer nor am I naive enough to think cash won't be king here.'"


Perhaps he should find some of Mo's courage, hey - and spend cash that he doesn't have, or that the rules won't allow him to spend?

Is that the sort of courage you want him to show?

Why not - I mean last time it only almost got us relegated.

Sorry to sound belligerent, but some of these anti-IL posts are ridiculous. There are several valid reasons why Wigan might not want to sign Myler. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with courage, though that doesn't seem to want people constantly spinning it that way.

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Quote: Cruncher "Perhaps he should find some of Mo's courage, hey - and spend cash that he doesn't have, or that the rules won't allow him to spend? .'"


I know it sounds bad but the answer from my pov would be YES every time. As selfish as it may sound Wigan for me comes before the rules and even the game.

I used to love Wigan and the whole game of RL but after I’ve seen the anti Wigan bile and pure hatred others fans have for us I’ve gone a hell of a lot more inward looking.

No one else cares about Wigan so why should we care or have respect for the rest of the dross in SL and the administrators who despise us even more than most opposition fans? Or should we care about clubs like Salford, Wakey or Hudds who don't have a ambitious bone in their bodies?

It’s one of the major reasons I find the NRL so appealing because it doesn’t have its anti Wigan agenda apparent everywhere from fans, to commentators to even the refs like Cummings and Ganson.

For all his bad traits Maurice always had his priorities set out right imo and that was doing what he thought was the best for Wigan RL and no one else.

All I want IL to do is start acting like the chairman of Wigan I want to see. One who delivers the big players and top trophies we so desperately want and sadly we aren’t going to do it by hanging onto coaches like Noble or letting talented youngsters go to our rivals.

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Quote: thepriestman85 "I know it sounds bad but the answer from my pov would be YES every time. As selfish as it may sound Wigan for me comes before the rules and even the game.

I used to love Wigan and the whole game of RL but after I’ve seen the anti Wigan bile and pure hatred others fans have for us I’ve gone a hell of a lot more inward looking.

No one else cares about Wigan so why should we care or have respect for the rest of the dross in SL and the administrators who despise us even more than most opposition fans? Or should we care about clubs like Salford, Wakey or Hudds who don't have a ambitious bone in their bodies?

It’s one of the major reasons I find the NRL so appealing because it doesn’t have its anti Wigan agenda apparent everywhere from fans, to commentators to even the refs like Cummings and Ganson.

For all his bad traits Maurice always had his priorities set out right imo and that was doing what he thought was the best for Wigan RL and no one else.

All I want IL to do is start acting like the chairman of Wigan I want to see. One who delivers the big players and top trophies we so desperately want and sadly we aren’t going to do it by hanging onto coaches like Noble or letting talented youngsters go to our rivals.'"


Noble is more than likely to go at the end of the season, imo he would have gone earlier except for the playoff run, which in fairness would have been harsh on him to be sacked after that, however rubbish the rest of the season was.

And which talented youngsters are we letting go to our rivals? IL has made a specific point that this is not what he wants to do, and has hence signed most of the up and coming youngsters onto new 3 year deals mid-season.

We don't have the cap space to go out and buy 2 or 3 superstars this offseason, I estimate 1 top world class player and then a very good player, which i would imagine to be a SH and then someone like cayless in as prop.

The season after when Fielden in particular is off contract will relieve the last remnants of the v poor cap management from ML et al, and should hence allow much more movement within the squad.


As for this slating IL for not coming out and ssaying Noble won't be staying, do you not think there is the possibility that him and Noble have come to an agreement after Nobles little outburst that he isn't staying, but that Lenegan will not come out and undermine his head coach by saying he will not be staying. Yes the papers are now talking about us approachin other coaches, but this was always going to happen with our coach being out of contract and quite frankly being cr ap!

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Quote: inside_man "NAnd which talented youngsters are we letting go to our rivals? IL has made a specific point that this is not what he wants to do, and has hence signed most of the up and coming youngsters onto new 3 year deals mid-season.

I was talking about Myler. A talented youngster who rumor has it is going to Wire.

Quote: inside_man "We don't have the cap space to go out and buy 2 or 3 superstars this offseason, I estimate 1 top world class player and then a very good player, which i would imagine to be a SH and then someone like cayless in as prop.'"


With Coley, Smith, Phelps and Bailey off contract i'm sure we've got enough to buy a superstar and also a very good player as well.

Quote: inside_man "The season after when Fielden in particular is off contract will relieve the last remnants of the v poor cap management from ML et al, and should hence allow much more movement within the squad.
'"


Fielden is looking like a bad option now and is a dead weight but i still say NO ONE would have turned him or his salary down when we signed him.

Quote: inside_man "As for this slating IL for not coming out and ssaying Noble won't be staying, do you not think there is the possibility that him and Noble have come to an agreement after Nobles little outburst that he isn't staying, but that Lenegan will not come out and undermine his head coach by saying he will not be staying. Yes the papers are now talking about us approachin other coaches, but this was always going to happen with our coach being out of contract and quite frankly being cr ap!'"
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Read my previous on the Noble/Kearney situation and you'll see what i think. No way that Noble and IL haven't had a discussion about BN future before IL went to Aus.

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Quote: thepriestman85 "No one else cares about Wigan so why should we care or have respect for the rest of the dross in SL and the administrators who despise us even more than most opposition fans?'"


OMG, it's David Koresh back from the dead!! Quick! Call out the ATF.

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Quote: Cruncher "Perhaps he should find some of Mo's courage, hey - and spend cash that he doesn't have, or that the rules won't allow him to spend?

Is that the sort of courage you want him to show?

Why not - I mean last time it only almost got us relegated.

Sorry to sound belligerent, but some of these anti-IL posts are ridiculous. There are several valid reasons why Wigan might not want to sign Myler. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with courage, though that doesn't seem to want people constantly spinning it that way.'"


Mo would have the bottle to attempt to make the transfer happen, Il doesnt.

What are the valid reasons?

We have a #7 - nope
We cant afford him - nope
We are a good team - nope
The chairman has delivered so far - nope

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Quote: jonh "It is interesting regards Monaghan, if he is to go, why is this? Is he home sick or just not going to be offered a new deal?

Personally IF Myler goes to Wire and Monaghan is available may be worth a punt, he has struggled this year but he has proven throughout his career his class prior to that. A change of scene away from Wire could be just what he needs. Just a thought to add to the drama of it all.'"
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Then we could spend the entirety of his contract cursing why we have 4 hookers at the club and no scrum half?

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Quote: AJ "2 offers from clubs other than Salford?

I would love to think Offiah would tip it in our favour, but I dont think IL has the courage to complete the transfer nor am I naive enough to think cash won't be king here.'"


I'd be very suprised if Saints don't find the cash to make an offer for him tbh. I know there fans are saying they won't because of money and the fact that they have Smith and Eastmond but Saints have a history of battling it out for high profile British players when they become available for money transfers and when it comes to Smith/Eastmond i'm not sure Potter is convinced by either(and rightfully so tbh).

My money would be on Wire but i'm not counting out Saints by any means just yet.

As for us i can't see it tbh.

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Quote: AJ "Mo would have the bottle to attempt to make the transfer happen, Il doesnt.

What are the valid reasons?

We have a #7 - nope
We cant afford him - nope
We are a good team - nope
The chairman has delivered so far - nope'"


Valid reasons:

a) We may not be able to offer what his agent wants given the constraints of the cap and our existing outlay (you don't know what our wage-bill is now or will be for next year, though it's safe to say that IL does).

b) We may already have a new half lined up who you don't know about (again, just saying we haven't got one won't cut it - you simply don't know).

c) We may feel that having two inexperienced halves is not a good plan (feel free to disagree, but the pros in this field may take a different view, and they'll be the ones IL will listen to, not you).

d) There may be a concern that Sam will feel his place is being threatened, and get unsettled, which in turn may unsettle his brothers (you may know the Tomkins family, but it's unlikely you have a professional relationship with them, whereas IL does).

Those would be four valid reasons straight off the top of my head. Just because you say the chairman lacks courage, that doesn't mean it's true. It could just as easily mean that you have a personal bee in your bonnet, which is divorcing your thinking from reality. But if it's any consolation, you aren't alone in that.

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