Spot on.

Quote: jinkin jimmy "FWIW my sources in Aus tell me this guy is now being looked at... rlhttp://www.melbournestorm.com.au/default.aspx?s'" He seems to be highly thought of and if anything, he's ranked above Kearney at Melbourne. www.news.com.au/couriermail/spor ... 09,00.html

Quote: jinkin jimmy "FWIW my sources in Aus tell me this guy is now being looked at... rlhttp://www.melbournestorm.com.au/default.aspx?s'" He seems to be highly thought of and if anything, he's ranked above Kearney at Melbourne. www.news.com.au/couriermail/spor ... 09,00.html

Spot on Cruncher.

Some fans seem peeved at IL because he doesn’t inform them of every decision the club makes

Or;

They are a staunch supporter of Noble and can’t admit that this year the writing for him has been on the wall since the first day of the season because we’ve just not performed under him no matter how they tried to brush off each loss by saying ‘the season is won at the end not the beginning or middle’. It’s now getting towards the end of the season and we’ve got a mountain to climb because like the fans Noble doesn’t bother with the early weekly rounds!!!

Now that IL has started to look for a new coach they are angry at him cause that would mean the rest of the fans were right when we called for his head months ago.

Let’s all just be happy that we are going for a coach like Kearney and finally be excited for the day we may see a Wigan team that isn’t hampered by bad coaching and tactics.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and it isn't about keeping everyone satisfied. I want a new coach others do not and if he is going that means some will be disappointed but that isn't the issue. The way this has been handled with weeks of speculation and now seemingly our Chairman offering the job to someone else and then saying Noble's future will be determined by results is ridiculous and is the issue.



What has that got to do with how this has been handled? If you get made redundant it is not, you are right, something anyone who finds themselves in that situation is going to be pleased about. Again that is a totally different issue to what is being discussed here.



Are you seriously suggesting that our Chairman going on the radio and telling the world Noble getting a new deal job is down to results after he has already offered it to someone else is a "minor negative"?

It doesn't matter if Noble knew already or not. If he did know what was the point of, when IL was asked the direct question about Nobles future, of IL coming out with this BS of it's all down to results?

There isn't even any point in keeping it secret because the sooner prospective candidates know the job is available the better so they do not tie themselves to other contracts before considering the Wigan job.

It would be quite acceptable to say Noble's deal was not being extended, the club expected him to see his contract out and the club were going to begin the search for a new coach.

Instead the media deduces we are after a new coach because the job is being offered around in Oz!

Can you not see that this means we can not believe anything our chairman says about the future of the club? It isn't the first time this has happened and that is disregarding the unprofessional manner in which this has got out.

This is not a minor issue at all and IMO anyone who thinks it is has a very distorted view of how things ought to be done. If this happened to you in your job you would be absolutely furious and the excuse this is a sports club and so coaches come and go etc does not wash.

If Mo had done this the lynch mob would be out but for some reason certain people are prepared to dismiss anything IL does wrong as a minor issue. I can not remember Mo ever behaving like this with a coaches dismissal and a new appointment.

I think we need to clarification from the club as to just what has happened because the way it looks at the moment is not a good reflection on how this has been handled.

Dave

I'd have thought a greater worry for Noble is how employable is he going to be at the end of this season. His recent activities - bleating to the national press about how unfairly he's being treated, sending the players on holiday when they should be facing disciplinary action - suggest that he's totally in denial about the current state of team affairs.

We've now sunk back to the level we were displaying under Millward. Maybe worse, because this clearly hasn't just been caused by some major fall-out, but by slow, plodding ineptitude.

He made some comment a few weeks ago to the effect: "I can't wait forever." My immediate response was: "Neither can we." Now it doesn't look like we're going to have to, but Brian may - because he must be the only person in RL right now who doesn't recognise that Wigan are a complete pile of donkey doo-dah. We're near the bottom of the table because we thoroughly deserve to be.

Nobby ought to consider what the consequence of this will be for his career. I'm not sure where Millward is right now, but he couldn't get a coaching job in Britain after his stint at Wigan.

Yes I am, because it is.

Noble knew long before this last week that his Wigan contract was ending. The only real issue has been whether he goes now or at the end of the season - and clearly that's still not been decided.

Neither you nor I have a right to know what's going behind the scenes regarding personal contracts, club business, etc. So constantly lobbying for 'full clarity' is as pointless an exercise at Wigan as it would be at any other professional sports club.

No, some fans can see beyond the immediate issue of us getting a new coach or not and expect the club and chairman to behave in a professional and fair manner when addressing the issue.



And I put it to you that you didn't realise the implication of the news story about Kearney turning the job down is that IL was telling the UK media basically a lie when he said Noble's future was all down to results.

For some reason you want to dismiss this as a minor issue because you want Noble out and so the end justifies the means. Well I want a new coach as well but that does not mean this is the right way to go about it.



Clearly in my case this has nothing to do with it.



Lets all ignore the fact our chairman tells employees of the club than can work for a new deal and in the meantime offers the jobs to others. That is what appears to have happened. I'd like to be proved wrong but I can not see how given the time machine has not been invented I can be.

If this is par for the course there will come a time when someone who you do support as coach or player gets the same treatment and I wonder what you be saying about that?

Dave

So IL on national radio is asked about Noble’s job a few weeks back what was he supposed to say other than what he did?

Does he say ‘no comment’ and is then hounded by the fans for not giving a straight answer and leaving everything up in the air?

Or does he then announce at that moment in time that Noble isn’t getting a new contract for next season? Not the best way to break such big news and I’m sure he would have been slated for doing it that was as well.

Or does he come out with the easy answer of saying ‘if BN performs and the team plays well he’ll get a new deal’. It’s the easy answer and the one he should take every time.

As long as he’s straight with BN behind the scenes I honestly don’t see why IL should give those Muppets on GMR the benefit of such a big scoop. Also if it was asked after the CC Salford win why ruin a good victory with such negative news.

From what I can see of the situation all that’s happened is some fans are moaning as again they are the last to know.

He's already done it with Colbon last year.

But when you look at the greater picture which is Wigan RL you have to see that what ever he’s doing for the club he’s doing it for the right reasons.

Rubbish.



Irrelevant.



Irrelevant again. The issue is with what we do know about not what we don't or could not expect to know about.

What we know is Kearney was offered the job and after he was offered it, IL went on the radio to say Noble's future at the club was down to results.

That has nothing to do with anything behind the scenes or club business. Nor has it anything to do with expecting full clarity so stop trying to deflect the discussion to something it is not about.

Disregarding the issue of doing one thing and saying another, I would have thought IL would have learned his lesson after the Higham saga that these things inevitably come out and this one has. So instead of being in control of the situation it's all over the news pages the Wigan job is being offered around. It's going to be interesting to see how IL handles this one but one thing is for sure he isn't the one in control of events and announcements now is he! He will have to react.

Do you think no journo is going to ask Noble what he thinks of the his job being offered around? What would you expect him to say in reply? The best Wigan can hope for is "no comment" IMO.

Dave

Sorry, but I think the Higham saga is still a running sore with you. You certainly let it affect your judgement with regard to the so-called 'Richard Moore' incident, when you simply chose to believe the Wakefield chairman rather than the Wigan chairman.

I can't be bothered getting into a day-long exchange of endlessly repeated viewpoints about this. What's going on in the real world behind the scenes is more important than comments made to the press. Noble knew his contract was up ages ago, and, during his stint at Wigan, has been doing no little shopping around himself. Have you forgotten the mysterious visits to Leeds and Warrington, the constant stories linking him with jobs in Australia?

As for the full clarity thing - you demanded "full clarification from the club" in an earlier post on this thread. If you regard a response to that as "trying to change the subject" why bring it up in the first place?

He would not be in a position of Nobel finding out he was out of a job on the radio if, as he should have, he told Noble he was not getting a new deal BEFORE he offered the job to someone else.

That is blindingly obvious.

If he had not told Noble he wasn't getting a new deal before offering the job to others then IL left himself in a very awkward position didn't he!

One of the arguments put forward by Cruncher is I think, everyone new the score anyway weeks ago. I find that implausible but in any case you are suggesting the opposite to justify IL not effectively sacking Noble on the radio.

Which ever way it is, it's a screw up.

If Noble didn't know he was out of a job he has found out via the media anyway. If he did know there is no reason for IL to say otherwise and certainly not to say his future was down to results.

If IL's had was being forced all he needed to do was to say an announcement would be made in due course, not say Noble had a job based on results because clearly he didn't.



Well no because you see if that isn't true, its a lie.



If he had been straight with BN behind the scenes there would be no need to not be straight with the media and fans. None. The fact he wasn't suggests he had not been straight with Noble which is basically what you are saying isn't it, that he said this because Noble ought not to find out on the radio he was out of a job? Which is it?

It was also after the league game after he had returned from Oz and he was telling us some of the players he had seen were no longer targets etc. No special occasion.



Well you are wrong. The fans are moaning because it appears our chairman was not being truthful and the club (which is basically IL anyway) was caught out once again as being unprofessional.

There may well be a plausible explanation but I have not seen one from you or Crucher so far. For that we will have to wait and see what IL and the club have to say. I hope he can come out with a convincing explanation because at the moment it all looks very poor IMO.

Dave

How bad does this make the club look?

What must be BN thinking now?

As with many things. there is probably no clear right/wrong here.

Any club looking to improve should always be looking to improve and cubs like wigan have always said that they will consider a top player if and when they become available.

So until things are signed on the dotted line then nothing is certain (and even then it still isn't).

There's nothing wrong with IL sounding out future coaches or players, it doesn't always mean they will be offerred a job, or the current coach player will be replaced.

these things don't happen sequentially, ask one player/coach if he's available, start negotiations, one party backs out, start process again, etc. It doesn't happen like that.

I'm sure IL is finding out who's available in the marketplace, (and this will involve a number of players/coaches who will never get near signing) and then deciding whether they will strengthen the team, whether that's a coach or a player.

Then there will be further discussions to see whether a deal is possible, then further discussions to see whether both parties see eye to eye, then further discussions to finalise a deal and finally sign a contract. All the time both parties will keep options open.

The stephen kearney situation looks like it didn't go beyond the initial enquiry of 'are you available?' stage.

Maybe that now's the time to ring Sydeny Roosters about that consultancy role.
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