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I dont see why people are so shocked? Since Smith left Sams only been in the team by default and if Smith hadn't gone Sam wouldnt have played since. I cant see him or Ainscough playing for a good few weeks now.

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[quote="kimmo":19twb50c]your 6 7 and 9 this year will kill you off you will not make the play offs ,keep this post untill the end of the year and then we will come back to it and the best man wins ,deal or no deal .[/quote:19twb50c]:



Quote: Mother Feka "I dont see why people are so shocked? Since Smith left Sams only been in the team by default and if Smith hadn't gone Sam wouldnt have played since. I cant see him or Ainscough playing for a good few weeks now.'"


FACT - We play our best rugby when TL is at 9 with Tomkins and Smith in the halves.

This is why people are getting annoyed.

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Quote: Mother Feka "I dont see why people are so shocked? Since Smith left Sams only been in the team by default and if Smith hadn't gone Sam wouldnt have played since. I cant see him or Ainscough playing for a good few weeks now.'"


I'm not shocked, I just find the decision strange.

For me, the halfback headaches all revolve around the hooking role. It's not the fact he hasn't included Sam that has me questioning the decision, it's the fact he has two similar players interchanging at acting halfback and it's simply swapping one style of a hooker for another with the same attributes which offers little impact. The better option for me, would be to switch Leuluai to hooker who we know can make an impact, and putting Sam into the halves with Smith, as we know he can more than play above standard requirements and also make an impact.

Simple.

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Quote: NickyKiss "It's great to have competition for places and it's something that we've been crying out for years to have.

When you do have that though you must use it right to get the best out of all the players. If a player preforms he keeps his place whoever he is and the guy who's out of the side through injury/suspension or whatever must wait his chance whoever he may be.

We do have to get Smith back into the side tonight without question which meant dropping a player but if we look at it on form then more then likely Riddell should have been the man to make way or at a push McIlorum but that isn't as easy for Noble to do as it is for him to come up with excuses for dropping Sam Tomkins due to his old duty of care(a line i've no doubt he'll trot out).

Not good imo.'"


I understand what your saying but he has to pick a side he thinks will win and if the side has not got Sam in then thats the way it is he is with the players all week and knows how they have gone in training we only see the end result. It might also be a destabilizing job on Salford changing the team from last week its not often you get the same side 2 weeks on the bounce is it could be a bit of mix it up so they will not be able to anticipate the play.

There could be lots of reasons he has not picked him if that is the case he could have a knock been a bit under the weather or as said before just mix it up for Salford or even Tony Smith might have asked Noble not to play him you dont know. I would think it just to give Salford a different team to play from last week.

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Quote: Alex BP' "I'm not shocked, I just find the decision strange.

For me, the halfback headaches all revolve around the hooking role. It's not the fact he hasn't included Sam that has me questioning the decision, it's the fact he has two similar players interchanging at acting halfback and it's simply swapping one style of a hooker for another with the same attributes which offers little impact. The better option for me, would be to switch Leuluai to hooker who we know can make an impact, and putting Sam into the halves with Smith, as we know he can more than play above standard requirements and also make an impact.

Simple.'"


If you have the balls to either tell a senior australian he's dropped or a guy more senior then Tomkins who's in good form that he's dropped but Noble hasn't!

A complete waste us even having a youth setup whilst Nobles here.

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If you want to win games, you pick the best players. Noble does not do that, so we are in a disgraceful league position and have won only two home league games out of 7.
I don't care about the excuses or the 'reasons'. Results speak for themselves. Noble must go.

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Quote: NickyKiss "If you have the balls to either tell a senior australian he's dropped or a guy more senior then Tomkins who's in good form that he's dropped but Noble hasn't!

A complete waste us even having a youth setup whilst Nobles here.'"


Think you will find he did that earlier in the year with Smith dont think he is scared to tell players they are dropped.

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Quote: NickyKiss "If you have the balls to either tell a senior australian he's dropped or a guy more senior then Tomkins who's in good form that he's dropped but Noble hasn't!

A complete waste us even having a youth setup whilst Nobles here.'"


Yeah, cos we had a Great one before he came in didn't we!

MY take in it, He has to decide 4 from 5 if all are fit!

He either picks 2 x HB's & 2 x Hookers

OR

As I would do, Play 3 HB's with 1 off the Bench (ST for me) and drop either Riddell or MM (I would play Riddell).

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Quote: Andy Greg "I understand what your saying but he has to pick a side he thinks will win and if the side has not got Sam in then thats the way it is he is with the players all week and knows how they have gone in training we only see the end result. It might also be a destabilizing job on Salford changing the team from last week its not often you get the same side 2 weeks on the bounce is it could be a bit of mix it up so they will not be able to anticipate the play.

There could be lots of reasons he has not picked him if that is the case he could have a knock been a bit under the weather or as said before just mix it up for Salford or even Tony Smith might have asked Noble not to play him you dont know. I would think it just to give Salford a different team to play from last week.'"


Put it this way, if i were sat in the Salford dressing room and heard that a lad that caused us no end of problems in the 2nd half last week wasn't playing i'd be more then happy!

I can't get away from the fact that it's the easiest option for Nobby to drop Sam Tomkins.

We can try and think of all sorts of other reasons why but that one just keeps coming to the front of the queue.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Put it this way, if i were sat in the Salford dressing room and heard that a lad that caused us no end of problems in the 2nd half last week wasn't playing i'd be more then happy!

I can't get away from the fact that it's the easiest option for Nobby to drop Sam Tomkins.

We can try and think of all sorts of other reasons why but that one just keeps coming to the front of the queue.'"


The only 2 people that know the reason is Noble and Sam not you not me nor any other person on here we dont even know for sure if he is not playing yet team line ups have been changed at the last min.
Could be Mind games

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Quote: NickyKiss "Put it this way, if i were sat in the Salford dressing room and heard that a lad that caused us no end of problems in the 2nd half last week wasn't playing i'd be more then happy!

I can't get away from the fact that it's the easiest option for Nobby to drop Sam Tomkins.

We can try and think of all sorts of other reasons why but that one just keeps coming to the front of the queue.'"


It would have been easier for him to drop McCollorum IMO but he hasn't??

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Quote: Jukesays "Yeah, cos we had a Great one before he came in didn't we!

MY take in it, He has to decide 4 from 5 if all are fit!

He either picks 2 x HB's & 2 x Hookers

OR

As I would do, Play 3 HB's with 1 off the Bench (ST for me) and drop either Riddell or MM (I would play Riddell).'"


Great minds think alike.

Or fools seldom differ.

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[quote="kimmo":19twb50c]your 6 7 and 9 this year will kill you off you will not make the play offs ,keep this post untill the end of the year and then we will come back to it and the best man wins ,deal or no deal .[/quote:19twb50c]:



Quote: Andy Greg "Think you will find he did that earlier in the year with Smith dont think he is scared to tell players they are dropped.'"


He had no other choice but to drop Smith after his horrible defensive display.

Noble only plays the kids when his hand is forced and he has no other options. When they perhaps do nothing spectacular or make a little mistake he is quick to drop them, Ainscough being the prime example. Fair enough drop them for a week or so but to leave him out of the team as long as he has is complete joke.

Reverse this and look at perhaps more senior imports he gives them plenty of chances will even go as far as to play them when they are not fully fit. e.g Carmont and Riddell.

Riddell HAS to be dropped this week IMO as he has not produced the goods. Its between him and Micky Mc for the last spot of the 4. As IMO TL, TS and ST all deserve to be in the 17.

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Quote: - Neil - "]Riddell HAS to be dropped this week IMO as he has not produced the goods. Its between him and Micky Mc for the last spot of the 4. As IMO TL, TS and ST all deserve to be in the 17.'"


Spot on.

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Quote: Jukesays "It would have been easier for him to drop McCollorum IMO but he hasn't??'"


It wouldn't be because he's playing better then the only other player in his position who Noble would have picked ahead of him.

Lets face facts Noble doesn't trust young players! It's always been the same during his time here and that won't change.

When we got battered against Saints at MM last year he blamed the defeat on the younger players after the game.............not the likes of Fielden who took 3 drives in all game(literally), Not Mathers who was a shambles at the back no he blamed the likes of O'Carroll and Goulding who'd actually done more then most senior players.

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