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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
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| Quote: andyed-wiganrl "Talk about dillusion......have a word with yourself....players like watmough, stewart, laffranchi, ellis....all ten times the player hock is or is ever likely to be....hock comes nowhere close to the sort of second row play of all of these players. thats not even to mention players like fitzgibon, wilkin who although not world class are far superior to hock.
Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!! 
That is so good it may make it onto my sig!
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Why has this become all about Hock?
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| Wilkin and Fitzgibbon far superior to Hock.  |
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Oh come on. Are you saying there is no difference between boring play and having the composure to know when and when not to offload? Was Hanley a boring player? No, and he is an example of someone who had the insight to know when and when not to offload.'"
Hock's ability and continual attemps to offload mean that he constantly draws 4-5 tacklers making gaps for those he offloads to. On friday he was playing a high risk game, but then how would Wigan have pulled back the score without doing so? Against Bradford there were not many mistakes.
Didn't Hanley play in a dominant team, like Saints of a couple of years ago who could throw the ball about and make mistakes but still win? Hock playing in a beaten team trying everything he could to pull back some points. |
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| Quote: 1879 "i like hock, how many times does he offload in a tackle and the player nearest him is looking the other way? he run's it in hard, can step, make's brake's and is good in defence generally. i do think he is better off the bench though'"
That I would agree with. In the next game I would love to see a bench of...
Hock
O'Carroll
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| Quote: alanpdodd "Hock's ability and continual attemps to offload mean that he constantly draws 4-5 tacklers making gaps for those he offloads to. On friday he was playing a high risk game, but then how would Wigan have pulled back the score without doing so? Against Bradford there were not many mistakes.
Didn't Hanley play in a dominant team, like Saints of a couple of years ago who could throw the ball about and make mistakes but still win? Hock playing in a beaten team trying everything he could to pull back some points.'"
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| Quote: andyed-wiganrl "Talk about dillusion......have a word with yourself....players like watmough, stewart, laffranchi, ellis....all ten times the player hock is or is ever likely to be....hock comes nowhere close to the sort of second row play of all of these players. thats not even to mention players like fitzgibon, wilkin who although not world class are far superior to hock.
its almost laughable how much some wigan fans build hock up......you make us the laughin stock of all the other teams in the league....it makes us sound nearly as bad as the wire fans who reconed lee briers was better than trent barrett ![]()
I stopped taking your post seriously at that point
Watmough, Stewart, Laffranchi and Ellis don't/haven't play(ed) behind beaten packs like Hock does most of the time with us. Put Hock in the Manly or Leeds side and I think he would definitely be in the above players bracket
I can't ever remember Hock putting in a bad performance when the team as a whole has played half decent. His bad performances only ever come when we are down and chasing a game and he knows he is one of the very few players who can pull us out the
I'm not saying Hock's world class by any means but I do think with composure and a better head he would be world class
If Hock had composure and a good piece of equipment in between his ears what else do you think he would have to add to his game to be world class?
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This is about OVERRATED Wigan players. Now people are talking about putting Hock in a better team. Doesn't this underline the fact that Wigan players (ones originally mentioned) are overrated?
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "This is about OVERRATED Wigan players. Now people are talking about putting Hock in a better team. Doesn't this underline the fact that Wigan players (ones originally mentioned) are overrated?'"
You mentioned Hock in a thread about OVERRATED players, he's not so you were wrong right from the off. |
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Wrong.
He isn't world class. So he is overrated. He makes wrong decisions with offloads and shows a lack of composure at some point in most games, these aren't the characteristics of a world class player.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Wrong.
He isn't world class. So he is overrated. He makes wrong decisions with offloads and shows a lack of composure at some point in most games, these aren't the characteristics of a world class player.'"
How many people rate him as world class though? |
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Just read around this site.
Oh and well done people for not mentioning the other players I mentioned.
Lets just focus on Hock hey.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Wrong.
He isn't world class. So he is overrated. He makes wrong decisions with offloads and shows a lack of composure at some point in most games, these aren't the characteristics of a world class player.'"
But no sensible person rates him as World Class. He is one of the best second rowers in Super League at the moment and if his head meatures over the next five years will IMO make a world class second rower/prop.
If we're talking overrated players I think Tommy Leuluai has to be in with a shout there - especially at 7. Close range tries and big hits are not the makings of a first choice scrum half. |
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Wrong.
He isn't world class. So he is overrated. He makes wrong decisions with offloads and shows a lack of composure at some point in most games, these aren't the characteristics of a world class player.'"
I feel were going round in circles. Everybody makes mistakes and certainly over the past couple of seasons the mistakes Hock makes have dropped significantly. As someone said before he has made 3 knock ons this season and given away 1 penalty. Thats a great improvement as this was an aspect of his game before that was stopping him being the force he is now. Unfortunately the composure that you say Hock lacks is just who he is and it is part of his game.
This lack of composure could result in a great offload in an impossible situation that results in try. Ive said it before if they come off hes the best, if they dont he's rubbish.
Hardly anyone has said he is world class, but even world class players make mistakes.
I think were just going to have to agree to disagree on this one  |
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