WANE & KR are at direct fault, IL is at fault for putting too much trust in their abilities but yes all three are at fault in different ways.

KR looks at fault a lot for the contracts running out at the same time, major disruption

The only thing more embarrassing than the Wigan performance are the threads on this forum tonight.

I’m not being a happy clapper or do gooder in saying this, but we’ve had a couple of truly atrociously bad weeks, after a great start to the season where we annihilated Warrington at magic weekend. Up until last week we had only lost 2 games all season, whilst generally playing much more attractive rugby than the previous 2 seasons.

Today Warrington totally had our number and played brilliantly. In addition to this we were abysmal.

But reading some of the comments on here is embarrassing regarding the quality of our squad, or the calls for certain people to immediately leave our club.

I invite the majority of people on this forum to read some of the comments they were writing a couple of weeks ago. It may put things into perspective a bit better for them.

Your a muppet and part of the problem..

Thanks for the insult. If you would like to explain in a civilised manner why you are saying that I’m willing to read it. Otherwise continue being an obnoxious idiot elsewhere.

I agree. People love nothing more than to slate the entire team whenever they are given the chance. Wigan played terrible today and last week, but up until the Wane announcement we have been in good shape. Not quite a crisis yet.

I do however agree that an early exit for Wane could help. Whilst I’m a big fan of his nowadays the timing has killed us and I fear will do for the rest of the season. I was listening to a podcast where I think it was Mark Flanagan said everyone naturally plays better when a new coach comes in as they need to prove themselves.

George Williams is quality for me and i would rather him be at Wigan than Warrington or the NRL. What he needs though is a solid 7 to compliment his style of play, something that was alarmingly obvious before the season started. I don’t think Hastings is the answer though as I think he’s fallen out with and unsettled every club he’s been at - not what we need when we already have a few live wires.

Ps. I wish Escare would get more than 10 minutes.

Because you support a failing business win, lose or fail.

That means the end of the said business.

Pure Muppertry..

If we were in Widnes’ position and I was still being positive then I would agree with your comment. However, we are not in that position yet.

I agree with you it is stupidity to support something blindly win, lose or fail.

I think we just have a disagreement over whether or not Wigan is ‘failing’ at the moment. I guess I just need more than 2 poor weeks to consider it truly failing.

If we are still in this situation in another 2 weeks then I’ll start to worry.

Last year we lost 8 in a row and only just missed out on the semi finals.

We've won 3 major trophies in 7 years with the biggest salaries.

We've just been humiliated by a team with loads of ex Wigan players, im worried now.

That’s all you needed to say from the start. Just because someone has a differing opinion doesn’t mean you need to jump straight to insults.

We can agree to disagree here. Like I said, if things don’t get better or get worse over the next few weeks I’ll be on the negative wagon with you.

A quick point about our players being on the biggest salaries and being overpaid.
Generally that’s true, but it’s sort of the double edged sword of having the best youth in the country. We have had to prematurely pay some younger lads over the odds to try and keep them. We already lose enough of our players/youth to other clubs because of a mixture of them being good, and no real reserve leagues for them to play in.

We have had to try and keep our top performing young players, by prematurely overpaying them, as for some reason our players seem to attract more attention from the NRL than other clubs. (I know this is repetitive).

A spell out of the side would do him no harm at all, he simply isn't in any sort of form, now god forbid the "look at his stats" crowd will be along presently but he simply isn't the player we hoped he would become at this moment in time.

JW do actually go to watch Wigan ? If you did you would know that the entertainment value is zero. That is down to Shaun Wane . He isn't prepared to (or is unable to ) change the style of play so he decides to leave. I just wish he went now ! Get shut of everybody who doesn't want to be at Wigan and bring some players in who want to play for the club

Yes I do go. And I agree that for a while it hasn’t been very good to watch at all. But actually I’ve been enjoying it much more this year, and up until 2 weeks ago I thought we were playing much better, and were more entertaining to watch (particularly the magic weekend game).

But yeah, these last 2 weeks have been the worst for a while.

I agree with you, things HAD improved somewhat (couldn't be any worse than last season)but the wheels seemingly have fallen off since Wane deciding to quit, maybe and I say this only because I don't like the long goodbye approach he should have gone when he announced it?