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| In his column it says he was called in for a 'chat'. he is hardly likely to say who else would have been called in. I find it very hard to believe that he would be the only one hauled into the bosses office
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| Wane has had it in for Josh ever since Josh invited his agent over to Aus before we played the Roosters. Then the issue quickly developed. It was Josh who was dropped and blamed after that game when anyone who was watching the game could see what was happening; Goulding as flying off his line to quickly get on top of Jennings, knowing Jennings has unbelievable quick feet and speed if he gave him time he's skin Daz. However when Daz shot out of the line Jennings easily dealt with the situation often leaving Josh in no man's land.
Since this season Josh has been injured, and struggled with Joel as a centre, it's not surprising he's now dropped and will possibly end up elsewhere, which is a terrible shame, he needs to brought back into form at Wigan otherwise next year we'll have Manfredi on one wing and no recognised Wigan on the other.
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| It would be a shame to lose Josh and I hope he can get back to his best in Wigan colours, however IF he were to go I think he could be comfortably replaced and I expect he would free up a big slice of Cap.
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| Can we afford to keep a player in the team who is out of form at the expense of someone who was in form before an injury? Yes, I realise that Manfredi may come in and stink the place out and if he does he will be dropped and replaced by Charnley. However, given his good form when he has been in the team and his scoring rate, I cant see that happening
Charnley needs to get his head out of his backside (and the backside of the represent clothing people he constantly plugs on twitter) and get it back in the game
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"
I also think he has got the blame for Sarge's error and the fact we can't drop Sarge doesn't mean we drop Josh just because we can.'"
Of course it does, that's the whole point of competition for places. It's not so much "dropping players because we can" as playing the best (on form) players available at the time, and for all Sarge's faults, there's no better option at centre at present. Dropping Sarge would weaken the team; dropping Josh doesn't (IMO).
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| Quote Geoff="Geoff"Of course it does, that's the whole point of competition for places. It's not so much "dropping players because we can" as playing the best (on form) players available at the time, and for all Sarge's faults, there's no better option at centre at present. Dropping Sarge would weaken the team; dropping Josh doesn't (IMO).'"
Quite right. Josh is unfortunate to have Manfredi as a potent alternative, and the centre spots will be the same if we ever get Thornley, Gelling and Sarginson fit at the same time. There is, however, an obvious clash of personalities between Wane and Charnley which is a real shame. We've all seen Charnley perform at the highest standards, albeit it been a while. I'd love to see him back to his best and would hope the coach, as the older, wiser, more experienced man would try to help him rather than spurn him.
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| Quote jinkin jimmy="jinkin jimmy"Quite right. Josh is unfortunate to have Manfredi as a potent alternative, and the centre spots will be the same if we ever get Thornley, Gelling and Sarginson fit at the same time. There is, however, an obvious clash of personalities between Wane and Charnley which is a real shame. We've all seen Charnley perform at the highest standards, albeit it been a while. I'd love to see him back to his best and would hope the coach, as the older, wiser, more experienced man would try to help him rather than spurn him.'"
I agree with this, but at present this season we have two strong attacking wingmen ahead of Josh. As a professional sportsmen, the onus is on Josh to oust one of the two of them through his own performances rather than by giving emotive interviews to newspapers.
I don't really understand why he didn't see this coming. Wigan watchers have known for a couple of years that the club has had two very exciting wingers emerging through the junior ranks. I'd have thought Josh would have upped his game in response, whereas in fact the opposite seems to have happened. It's true that his injuries were very ill-timed, but that is a hazard all sportsmen have to face.
As to the risk of losing him ... it's probably very real, but I suspect we were facing that anyway. As others have alluded to, he was allegedly 'putting himself in the shop window' two year ago when he was down in Aus. And even if that's not true, and he only decides to go because he's been dropped, that shows a poor attitude. I'd love to keep him if he can get back to his best. But if he can't, would it be so massive a loss?.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"I agree with this, but at present this season we have two strong attacking wingmen ahead of Josh. As a professional sportsmen, the onus is on Josh to oust one of the two of them through his own performances rather than by giving emotive interviews to newspapers.
I don't really understand why he didn't see this coming. Wigan watchers have known for a couple of years that the club has had two very exciting wingers emerging through the junior ranks. I'd have thought Josh would have upped his game in response, whereas in fact the opposite seems to have happened. It's true that his injuries were very ill-timed, but that is a hazard all sportsmen have to face.
As to the risk of losing him ... it's probably very real, but I suspect we were facing that anyway. As others have alluded to, he was allegedly 'putting himself in the shop window' two year ago when he was down in Aus. And even if that's not true, and he only decides to go because he's been dropped, that shows a poor attitude. I'd love to keep him if he can get back to his best. But if he can't, would it be so massive a loss?.'"
On current form, no. But I can't belive his best years are behind him at his age. Fingers crossed it all works out and we have him and Manfredi firing on all 6 next season.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"
I don't really understand why he didn't see this coming. Wigan watchers have known for a couple of years that the club has had two very exciting wingers emerging through the junior ranks. I'd have thought Josh would have upped his game in response, whereas in fact the opposite seems to have happened. It's true that his injuries were very ill-timed, but that is a hazard all sportsmen have to face.
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I think that's right. A combination of injuries to himself and our first-choice centre haven't helped him fend off competition for his place within the squad. The MEN article looks like a dummy-spit to me. Of course it must be frustrating when other players, like equally out-of-form Sarginson, don't get dropped because there isn't a junior breathing down their neck. But what are the coaching staff supposed to do? Throw in a young lad who isn't ready for first-grade just to teach a first team regular a lesson?
Suppose that would satisfy some on here for whom consistency in team selection is more important than old-fashioned values like wanting to win the game.
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| Quote phibes="phibes"I think that's right. A combination of injuries to himself and our first-choice centre haven't helped him fend off competition for his place within the squad. The MEN article looks like a dummy-spit to me. Of course it must be frustrating when other players, like equally out-of-form Sarginson, don't get dropped because there isn't a junior breathing down their neck. But what are the coaching staff supposed to do? Throw in a young lad who isn't ready for first-grade just to teach a first team regular a lesson?
Suppose that would satisfy some on here for whom consistency in team selection is more important than old-fashioned values like wanting to win the game.'"
Both Burgess and Manfredi are/were top try scoring wingers this year, and Charnley hasn't played as well as anyone, including himself had hoped.
Sarginson has been fortunate in that Gelling and Thornley have been injured or I'm sure he too would have been stood down for a few games.
Bowen was dropped for nine games and replaced by Hampshire. o.k. Bowen made those two bad mistakes on Friday but he had been excellent in the previous two games v Leeds and Huddersfield.
Anyone who thinks that Charnley was the only players to have the see me is living in some sort of parallel universe, and if they don't believe it happens at every other club then they have no idea of how sport (or business) works. It was Charnleys choice to make it public.
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| Quote warrior1872="warrior1872"I dont think wane would ever lose the dressing room due to the fact that hes had these players from when they were kids which makes the dressing room a very tight knit band of players'"
maybe thats the issue here. maybe he still treats the players that he coached at junior level as "kids".
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| Quote theblondebomber="theblondebomber"maybe thats the issue here. maybe he still treats the players that he coached at junior level as "kids".'"
Maybe there isn't an issue? Maybe there will always be small issues just like any business?
Strange how these rumours only seem to surface after a loss?
It's only 3 months ago that after the Cas loss David Furner was on his way over and Waney was being sacked Sunday afternoon.
That was a Leighth rumour that was total B0110x - Maybe some people would rather surround thereselves with rumours and unsubstantiated claims?
You know the type, the ones you used to avoid in the pub but now get internet air time.
Think Saddened but without the Anti Wigan agenda, just a constant neccessity to know better than everyone else and will leave no stone unturned in their relentless quest to prove themselves right and everyone else wrong.
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