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| Quote: giwildgo "Different how? No Cunningham and No Gidley? Big difference otherwise
It depends on which GF loss you are talking about. I could go back four years or to last year. If we take last year then no Wellens (for 50 minutes), no Flannery, no Clough (no Hargreaves, no Dixon). In addition, no Perry, Pryce or Eastmond with Jammer and LMS playing on injections, and Makinson on his derby debut. Oh, and our fifth halfback partnership of the season (all of which were different from last season, including the GF).
Oh, and our coach has changed. You might have noticed that in the 30 minutes when we had our stand off and fullback playing.
So yes, there IS a big difference in the team playing today and in last year's GF.
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www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/ ... 2007_%20(2).pdf
SECTION 10
KNOCK-ON AND FORWARD PASS
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
Just because the Sky dumb dumbs don't know the rules, that's no excuse for the rest of us.
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www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/ ... 2007_%20(2).pdf
SECTION 10
KNOCK-ON AND FORWARD PASS
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
Just because the Sky dumb dumbs don't know the rules, that's no excuse for the rest of us.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/rugby_laws_book_2007_%20(2).pdf
SECTION 10
KNOCK-ON AND FORWARD PASS
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
Just because the Sky dumb dumbs don't know the rules, that's no excuse for the rest of us.'"
Saints used the heading tactic to score tries a few years ago, forget who, but I think the rule changed as a consequence.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "www.therfl.co.uk/~rflmedia/docs/rugby_laws_book_2007_%20(2).pdf
SECTION 10
KNOCK-ON AND FORWARD PASS
Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.
Just because the Sky dumb dumbs don't know the rules, that's no excuse for the rest of us.'"
Don't you go on .... okay so it counts as a knock on .... now sit down, relax, and enjoy a replay of the game like me!
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| Quote: LovesToSpooge "Totally agree Andy. The loss of Graham and Puletua for Saints would be catastrophic.'"
And that is very likely - to almost certain - to happen. James Graham is believed to have signed a three-year deal with the Bulldogs and Puletua has family commitments back home. Saints fans can harp incessantly about who they were missing and how well a few 19-year-old lads did, but take James Graham and Tony Puletua out of that side and Wigan would have absolutely flogged them. Graham and Puletua are the fulcrum of everything that Saints do well. Take them two out of that side and Stains are in trouble.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "It depends on which GF loss you are talking about.'"
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| Quote: cadoo "And that is very likely - to almost certain - to happen. James Graham is believed to have signed a three-year deal with the Bulldogs and Puletua has family commitments back home. Saints fans can harp incessantly about who they were missing and how well a few 19-year-old lads did, but take James Graham and Tony Puletua out of that side and Wigan would have absolutely flogged them. Graham and Puletua are the fulcrum of everything that Saints do well. Take them two out of that side and Stains are in trouble.'"
Are you not forgetting the best player in superleague so far in the machine that is James Roby.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "Are you not forgetting the best player in superleague so far in the machine that is James Roby.'"
So you're pinning your hopes on James Roby? He can't work behind a beaten pack. I expect his performances to drop considerably if you fail to replace James Graham and Tony Puletua with any considerable top quality forwards.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "It depends on which GF loss you are talking about. I could go back four years or to last year. If we take last year then no Wellens (for 50 minutes), no Flannery, no Clough (no Hargreaves, no Dixon). In addition, no Perry, Pryce or Eastmond with Jammer and LMS playing on injections, and Makinson on his derby debut. Oh, and our fifth halfback partnership of the season (all of which were different from last season, including the GF).
Oh, and our coach has changed. You might have noticed that in the 30 minutes when we had our stand off and fullback playing.
So yes, there IS a big difference in the team playing today and in last year's GF.'"
Dear Saintsfan .... I know we are from Wigan and therefore a bit slow to take things on board ... but I think we understand by now that you had a young team out, that our first try was from a forward pass and that Hoffman should be banned for the rest of the season. Afterall your fellow fans have been on this site making excuses for the past four or five hours.
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| Quote: cadoo "And that is very likely - to almost certain - to happen. James Graham is believed to have signed a three-year deal with the Bulldogs and Puletua has family commitments back home. Saints fans can harp incessantly about who they were missing and how well a few 19-year-old lads did, but take James Graham and Tony Puletua out of that side and Wigan would have absolutely flogged them. Graham and Puletua are the fulcrum of everything that Saints do well. Take them two out of that side and Stains are in trouble.'"
And you take Richards and Tomkins out of the wigan team and they are mid table at best
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41805.jpg 15th October 1989 - the beginning of a love affair.
Wigan RLFC for life.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "No Eastmond, no Pryce, no Wellens (for 50 minutes), no Flannery, no Clough. In addition, no Perry, LMS and Jammer playing on injections, and Makinson on his derby debut. Oh, and our fifth halfback partnership of the season (all of which were different from last season, including the GF).
So yes, there IS a big difference in the team playing today and in last year's GF.'"
Most of the players mentioned as missing having been part of the perennial runners up. What part of taking full strength sides at the business end of the season, do you not understand? The comment wasn't about today, which in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing, regardless of Saints gallant performance in defeat. Just to emphasise the point, a team of youngsters played in a team decimated by injuries and actually beat a pretty much full strength Saints side on Good Friday in 2003 against all odds. They were lauded as a golden generation at the time, but nothing came of it and only one of those players remained part of the squad that won the GF in 2010 (O'Loughlin) and he remains the only player to have won a trophy of the 17 in the period since. Thats why I take the Saints hyperbole about youngsters in a one-off game with a pinch of salt - there's only Lomax out of the new lot that I have any envy about (Graham and Roby otherwise) and I'd take our collection of home grown talent in the team and squad every time moving forward.
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41805.jpg 15th October 1989 - the beginning of a love affair.
Wigan RLFC for life.
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| Quote: saintnickle34 "And you take Richards and Tomkins out of the wigan team and they are mid table at best'"
Swap Richards, Tomkins and Wigan for Graham, Roby and St. Helens and you have the same sentence. Every team has its good players that they rely on and their squad fillers.
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41805.jpg 15th October 1989 - the beginning of a love affair.
Wigan RLFC for life.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Actually, the Saints youngsters you saw today by and large were in the academy side who beat Wigan in the Academy grand final a few years back - I think it was 2008? Foster, Magennis, Lomax, Ashurst (who all played tonight) as well as Dixon (played in the GF last season), were all promoted from the Academy to the first team when they were 18. For the two years under Potter they all got a lot of game time because from about the second half of the first season under Potter we began to have really serious injury issues. Wheeler and Eastmond were in the previous cohort and both played in Academy teams that beat the Aussies in their own back yard.
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It's probably important that the Senior team also manage to win the GF? I wonder which group of youngsters from those three academy seasons have already done that
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