I don't see the "Happy Clappers" as a bunch of mindless drongo's, as portrayed... But rather, fans who are able to see and appreciate the bigger picture. And, who also realise that we no longer live inn the 1980's.

Heresy!

But seriously looking at other clubs situation compared to ours, no Wigan fans have got a right to be unhappy.

True, but some folk are like that.. If you gave my father the universe, he would still find something to moan about... "It's too big/dark/draughty".

I don't understand why they don't go and support one of the Super-Duper League perennial bottom feeders, they could wallow quite happily in a very deep pit of misery.....

You obviously didnt know what I meant.

The same as Cruncher did not know what he was talking about above when he said [i'and someone clearly had a word with the poster in question anyway.[/i

Had a word about what? Posting an opinion on a message board?

How do you come to that conclusion?

Because I don't agree about some things posted on a forum im an unpleasant person?

Disagreeing with someone, and accusing a respected businessman of filtering business funds into his own pocket, are two very different things.

Yes they do and for evidence I'd refer you back to when Noble was coach. For some posters he could do no wrong simply because he was Wigan coach. Same with Madge, same with Wane. There are a few people who seem think the deserved criticism Noble got is disloyal.

Also with respect to your long post above about complaints about IL, Wane and everything else [ino one[/i holds all those views and your post makes it sound as if you think people do. If that wasn't the intention, fair enough but that is how it seemed to me on reading it.

It's great that people are recognising SWs abilities at last. It would also be great to draw a line under any recrimination over past strongly held views. We are ALL Wigan fans and should now be basking in the glow of a historic achievement. I think we all feared for this season, some more vocal than others and the most enjoyable thing about the double is the unexpected nature of it. I would count myself as a huge fan of SW all along but I really didn't see this coming after the losses at Saints and Catalan and the home defeat to Huddersfield.

At that stage of the season the pressure on SW was enormous, he didn't even know if he had a job after September. So he deserves so much credit it is untrue.

Quite right, best to forget about all the nasty posts by people who assumed they knew more than everybody else, and were arrogant to the point of almost being insulting to other posters... Brow beating other posters,a nd stifling debate with their long, ponderous and "stuck needle" posts...

Best forgotten, so they can save face...

I completely agree.



One of the things that struck me most about Saturday was the atmosphere and I think the last time I felt that kind of atmosphere was funnily enough in 2006 when Stuart Fielden took to the field in his first game for the club and he geed the crowd up. It was electric and so it was on Saturday as we ate into the Wires lead.



I think he deserves a lot of credit for turning the poor form in the 2nd half of the season around. I was a big critic but I just watched him on North West tonight and he is clearly the proudest person in Wigan. The presenters thanked him for coming into the studio but I reckon he will have wanted to be there to show the GF and CC trophies off. It was a very nice tribute to our club as well. With the obligatory "commiserations to Warrington" thrown in of course.

Exactly, when everything looks bad and they can speculate and doom monger away anyone who disagrees, or even just waits for the season to pan out is a naive happy clapper. Shaun Wane played it perfectly however and they've been proved wrong and now it's poor form to hold them to what they said. Such was the level of disrespect and arrogance on the part of certain posters they should be shown up a bit.

OOOPS was meant for PM

I didn't name names because I couldn't remember who said what, as it's been going on for so long - but nor do I really care, because that wasn't my real point. The main thing is that IL and SW have surely now earned some respite from the near-constant carping which, on this message board at least (not to mention the other one!!!), has bedeviled their tenure.

I'm not just saying that people need to put aside the preconceived notions they held when IL first arrived and SW first got appointed, and give them some credit for winning stuff. I mean they need to completely rethink their attitude, stop always assuming the worst with every new development, stop rooting through the detail to try and find negatives, and stop working from the baseline principle that IL and/or SW will always be at fault.

Just as an example - the other week, you got uppity with a poster because he referred to IL as 'Ian'. Now, what kind of mindset does that reveal other than an innate hostility to the guy? If someone was to refer to Gary Hetherington as 'Gary', I could understand it. I would get uppity, as he's an opponent of our club. But IL is fast emerging as our most successful chairman of modern times. It really is a bizarre attitude for a Wigan fan to take, Dave.

This is all I'm saying. It's time to draw a line under past errors of judgement, and start acknowledging that IL and SW are trying to do their best for the club and that their way is so far paying dividends. Who knows ... maybe they won't always get it right, and there's nothing wrong with pointing it out when they don't. But for Heaven's sake, let's just put a sock in the muck-raking, and start offering some genuine enthusiasm.

I'm not saying, by the way, that you and other previously unhappy posters won't do that, or indeed aren't already - but you queried my post of the morning after the GF and I'm just trying to explain my thinking.

Are you sure? If I did I must have had a few! Even if I did it certainly doesn't reveal anything like an innate hostility to the guy unless you choose to draw that conclusion.




Nothing is black and white. IL has made some errors and he has got things right. I call each situation as I see it and if he wants to take the RFL to task as reported I'll take a day off work and drive him to the RFL myself if he wants. I will back him 100% on that. Do I think he handled the contractual situation with Sam correctly? No but that doesn't mean I have blinkers on about what else he does for the club.



Fair enough.