The play offs will and should stay, but they need reducing from the 8, to 6, possibly 5. If they are to stay at 8, the NRL model needs to come in and clubcall be binned.

That's the way the coockie crumbles 'couldn't even make old trafford to defend your title' team.

Everyone knows the goalposts at the start of the season.

What makes you and wire any more deserving than leeds or saints?

If you can't win the pressure games you don't deserve to be champions.

Agreed but come on ? Leeds have lost 11 games this season. Wire & Wigan 5 & 4 respectively. Leeds & Saints have hit form but haven't been as consistent all year have they.

The system is what it is and under that system the right 2 teams are going to the GF but if I were a Wire player/director/coach I would be absolutely gutted and feel as though my "consistent" efforts were a waste of time.

That's just the way the cookie crumbles!

Enjoy your crumbs!

I get what your saying gary, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles and unfortunatly wigan won't be contesting this years grand final despite finishing second in the league ladder

The league is all about getting yourself in a good position for the play-offs. There can be no excuses for us and wire, we got the best two spots but didn't deliver when it really mattered end of. Saints and Leeds both thoroughly deserve to be in the final.

History only remember the winners and not whether leeds weren't all that.

History will remember saints 2006 as very special.

Under the current system there is no argument to that BUT where is the reward for consistency ?

If you can be Champions by losing 11 games and then hitting a bit of form at the end of the season, there is something wrong isn't there.

Seriously - Wire should be Champions....end of ! (that hurt)

That's just the way the cookie crumbles im afraid!

Not easy defending your title is it?

Saints fans will.. no-one else will

Agreed.

If it was wigan though, they'd be talking about it in mongolia going into the next millenium.

And rightly so we are the biggest, most successfull and famous team in all of rugby.

Yes they have. Saints did it in 2006. In fact, they won the treble and then went on to win the following WCC too.

I don't think Wigan fans should complain about the system after losing to the same team twice in the play-offs. Wigan haven't been the same force since beating Leeds at Wembley, a new coach might be just what they need.