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Compare the two team lineups from the respective Grand Finals & see who's missing from where.Then factor in injuries & players out of position.Think you might find Leeds had the edge even before we get to Home field - distance travelled - weather - games played.
But it's irrelevant isn't it really.
Storm Won - Leeds Lost again.
At least last year you had the soothing excuse that Manly played Leeds in good weather & came with an almost full strength team
Good luck against Quins
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| Quote: Bourbon Rat "No Problem
Compare the two team lineups from the respective Grand Finals & see who's missing from where.Then factor in injuries & players out of position.Think you might find Leeds had the edge even before we get to Home field - distance travelled - weather - games played.
But it's irrelevant isn't it really.
Storm Won - Leeds Lost again.
At least last year you had the soothing excuse that Manly played Leeds in good weather & came with an almost full strength team
I have that same thought this year. That Melbourne team this year was the strongest yet to come to these shores for a WCC match.
Your compare the two team lineups from GF is worthless. Four of the storm players from then have left the club and been replaced. If you look at the respective GF line ups that were still at the club, Leeds had 3 missing and lost one in the 1st third of the game, and Storm had 2 missing.
All Irrelevant like I said. The only issue I had was trying to come out with rubbish that Storm were disadvantaged on the field.
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| Quote: moyle "did you watch the same game as every1 else? all that the storm did was lie on in a tackle for about 20 mins!
and how did leeds not break them down? they went over the line about 4 times but that rubbish winger dropped the ball!'"
your absolutely right, storm did lie on, but as the referee was using the surrender call which allows the extra lying on to take place, who is more stupid, Leeds for not taking advantage themselves or the fans moaning about it.
With referrence to them getting over the line, the score has to be made, regardless of attention of defenders or adverse weather. Yes Leeds had Donald out but to sit here talking about ifs buts and maybes is irrelevant. Nobody knows if donald would have made the scores.
For me the weather levelled the playing field and made the game respectable in its score. The bottom line is Leeds lost to a rusty Melbourne missing key players and also having player out of position. Leeds can cling to the theory that donald would have made the scores and they would have won the game, but the bottom line is both sides had personnel missing and players out of position. Melbourne for me were the better team and no amount of whinos whining will change that.
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| Quote: lothlorian "your absolutely right, storm did lie on, but as the referee was using the surrender call which allows the extra lying on to take place, who is more stupid, Leeds for not taking advantage themselves or the fans moaning about it.
With referrence to them getting over the line, the score has to be made, regardless of attention of defenders or adverse weather. Yes Leeds had Donald out but to sit here talking about ifs buts and maybes is irrelevant. Nobody knows if donald would have made the scores.
For me the weather levelled the playing field and made the game respectable in its score. The bottom line is Leeds lost to a rusty Melbourne missing key players and also having player out of position. Leeds can cling to the theory that donald would have made the scores and they would have won the game, but the bottom line is both sides had personnel missing and players out of position. Melbourne for me were the better team and no amount of whinos whining will change that.'"
good post and IMO spot on
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| Quote: lothlorian "can't believe you seriously wrote that. In cronk and Smith Melboune have two of the best players on the planet. Being without 1 is bad enough but having to play the best hooker in the world at 7 gave you a saving grace around the rook. Leeds are the best team in the comp over here but to even try and compare them to a Melbourne team, who have played one warm up game, with stars out of position and missing is ridiculous. Now who believes there own hype. Whether its rugby of football, leeds have the most fickle fans in the world'"
who won MOM?
It wasn't cam smith was it?
Clearly playing at 7 was very detrimental to this performance.
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| Quote: MattyB "We do have experience in winning in Australia however.'"
If we'd played it down under we'd have been thrashed.
If you win the grand final I hope they play it down under.
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| for the aussie mediablic to take it seriously it needs to be rotated here and over there
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| Quote: back to back to back "who won MOM?
It wasn't cam smith was it?
Clearly playing at 7 was very detrimental to this performance.'"
world class player. Even out of position best player on the pitch. Imagine what hed have done to you playing at 9 the entire game.
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| Quote: back to back to back "who won MOM?
It wasn't cam smith was it?
Clearly playing at 7 was very detrimental to this performance.'"
What a pointless post....he was out of position and murdered you, what would the 1st choice scrum half who is far better than Smith there have done to you. Add in their first choice prop who was out and then out the best hooker in the world at 9 and you guys had....a centre on the wing. Give over.
How can you say the Melbourne team where the strongest team to come over. When we played the Broncos and saints played the Broncos and Roosters they all brought 1st choice teams over and left no-one out.
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| Quote: jameswk "good post and IMO spot on
It's far from good post, as I pointed out on the other page. Melbourne were not playing players out of position and were far from depleted.
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| Quote: Gotcha "It's far from good post, as I pointed out on the other page. Melbourne were not playing players out of position and were far from depleted.'"
Cameron Smith is not normally a 7 you know
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| Quote: pedro17 "c020.gif
Cameron Smith is not normally a 7 you know
Kalum Watkins isn't a winger either, but he has played there enough times before, and Matt Diskin isn't a backrower. Just like Smith has played scrum half enough times to not be considered out of position.
The fact that Smith moving allowed the 4th regarded best hooker in the NRL to play, came far away from disadvantaging the Storm.
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| Everyone just needs to calm down. The hype is getting waaay out of control.
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| They had people out from the start...one of the best props in the game and one of the best scrum halves in the game. They then had to accomodate this by moving the best hooker to scrum half.
You lost your loose forward DURING the game and had a player with super league experience to wing from centre.
The two are incomparable
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