That's what we do best

let's hope you have the wealth to pay the wonder centre's wages.



Again, you have won the GF, won the LLS and have bags of money. Please sign him for 2024.

According to Lenegan we had agreed for next season it was only the cap change why Wire changed their minds. Something while he said it was their right to do he didn't seem happy with how it was done as he then went on to say quite a bit of what he thought about how you was being managed.

I'm quite sure. We employ a woefully out of depth clown as a CEO. The same clown gave TK the ridiculous contract in the first place.

To help mitigate the effect of the clown we scoured the earth for an international class Director of Rugby. We searched both hemispheres looking for the strategic rugby brain with great contacts in UK, Aus and NZ. The sort of RL visionary who could build a legacy. Luckily for us we found he was already working in our youth set up - we proudly present Gary Chambers! And people wonder why we are mediocre.

Why have you never got rid of the clown. Always baffles me. DP always looked like an abrasive character who looking from the outside in, didn’t have much of a culture building other than scowl at players when they played e then go out on the lash if they won. Appointing Burgess is a strange one, i think he’s a great player and might have the attitude (if it starts to go wrong) of being royally peed off and butt heads with players and they aren’t doing what he could do. Honestly you wouldn’t go far wrong sticking with the chap you had. Give him a go bringing the youth through and see what happens.

I think Burgess will be good for them, he's got that force of character and will to maybe start some changes off there. He's not stupid, he'll know that they are rotten to the core and I'm sure he'll have guarantees in place about backing him when tough decisions need to be made.

I assume that so did DP...

Possibly. DP isn't Burgess however.

Burgess knows what it takes to be successful, DP has never really been a success. If Burgess implements even a quarter of what he learnt from Madge or Bennett, they'll have something light years ahead of what DP offered.

As a starter I think we'll see a team with better conditioning and far more committed. If not, then those players will be gone.

Our Chairman, Middleton, thinks Karl Fitzpatrick is doing a good job so he stays. It's his trainset he can do what he likes. In actual fact our sporting performance since his appointment have all gone one way - down. From a team that was regularly challenging the top 4 playing entertaining RL, winning LLS and Challenge Cups we have now become the laughing stock of the league.

DP did not have the tools in his nal to turn around the culture of mediocrity he came into or the skills to deal with the egos. He fell out with the players and in the end they stopped playing for him. When all you have in your toolkit is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Burgess is nothing more than a high profile punt after Justin Holbrook turned us down. Of course whilst we wish Burgess well, he may throw the towel in with our shambles if things don't go right. He will be readily accepted back in Australia for an assistant role.

In truth we peaked about 2011/12 under Tony Smith. If we were ever going to win a GF it was then. Unmanaged, chaotic decline is what we are left with.

For the most part i agree i just get the feeling that Burgess will be off as soon as the going gets tough. Nothing to back that up in fairness but, for me, it seems like its just a footnote on his CV to help him get a better gig back in Aus

I do think Burgess will go well tbh. I don’t think it’ll be a really long term thing but he’s a motivator and I think he’ll get a tune out of them for a couple of years. The Holbrook appointment would’ve been amazing for both the short term and the longer term, so I can’t say I’m overly sad that didn’t come off.

I hope you are right. He should, at the very least, get us to have a competitive, aggressive pack. Currently our pack is "too nice" and easily dominated. We have absolute oxygen thieves like Dudson stealing a living with his 30 meters / 6 carries per game.

We are also unfit. Gassed after 60 mins.

Not to mention the mental fragility. If we go behind by 6 points our collective goes and the players collapse. There is not even an effective captain to rally the troops.

We have not beaten you or St Helens in 2 seasons. Not once.

One of our few top drawer players, Clark, has gone too. To be replaced by Dwyer. Dire times indeed.

Agreed, Holbrook would have had them as champions within 3 years IMO