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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Thank you Jeff a much more reasoned and courteous response to my post, but I will stick to my guns, as memories fade, the likes of Billy Boston, Johnny Whitley, Eric Ashton, Alex Murphy, as good if not better than any around, tourists and true greats, never a sniff of wacky backy, nor the white powder, or any such drug, placed in any orifice, was needed.
Drugs cheats out, no excuses.'"
We are in the minority with this view and I suspect our ages and the environments that we were raised in drives our stance and thoughts.
Personally I find people accepting the use of class 1 drugs as ok somewhat sad. What if a player was caught using another class 1 drug such as heroin would people then say that this was also acceptable??
Although I know I am in the minority it wont change my views.
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "We are in the minority with this view and I suspect our ages and the environments that we were raised in drives our stance and thoughts.
Personally I find people accepting the use of class 1 drugs as ok somewhat sad. What if a player was caught using another class 1 drug such as heroin would people then say that this was also acceptable??
Although I know I am in the minority it wont change my views.'"
If a rugby league player was on heroin I’d be looking to offer him help bigtime before even moving on to thinking about bans. It’s chalk and cheese to what cocaine will do to a person.
I’m anti drugs of any kind when it comes to myself. I’m 34 and didn’t even try a cigerette until my mid twenties and haven’t even considered taking anything stronger then a paracetamol but I understand that some people do. If they do it for some sort of high away from the field and not to try and cheat then whilst I say ‘more fool them’, I do not think they should be punished in the same way as a drugs cheat.
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "We are in the minority with this view and I suspect our ages and the environments that we were raised in drives our stance and thoughts.
Personally I find people accepting the use of class 1 drugs as ok somewhat sad. What if a player was caught using another class 1 drug such as heroin would people then say that this was also acceptable??
Although I know I am in the minority it wont change my views.'"
Maybe time to put us out to grass “Itchy Arsenal”. The green variety.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "I assure you sir I am very much awake, old perhaps, rude never.
As you are obviously in favour of snorting coke or other such chemicals which are totally alien to me, as I was in danger of a good hiding if I was caught smoking cinnamon sticks as a nipper.
Your assumption that most top athletes are on something they shouldn’t be, is alarming, could you perhaps, I will make it simple, name those who are not.'"
As I’m obviously in favour of snorting coke? Are you high?
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| Quote: Phuzzy "With all due respect here Chapylad (and I know you're a decent and generally fair minded poster, so no offense intended) but your comments on your board are in response to what some people were saying on this board which was, in turn, a response to what had originally been said on your board! So whichever way you shake it up your post was a pop at Wigan when it should have been aimed at your own fans. You can't have it one way on this forum and another on your own. The boards are only a click away after all! Enough on that score though as I don't want to get in a tit-for-tat argument with you. As I said, I know you're a decent poster. In the spirit of letting it go I'll even let making the distinction between young offenders and prison slide!
Cheers Phuzzy.
You almost lost me there with our board and your board! Yes I was splitting hairs with the YOI/Prison comparison
I would say you are pretty much close to your assumption on Charnley and throw in one more and you will be spot on.
My info has come from a friend of a friend sad yes I know but at least it isn`t from the blokes next door neighbours aunty who works in a chip shop that Zak goes to.
I would say the information is pretty spot on.
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| Quote: RichieS "+ Daryl Clark, Kev Brown.'"
I wasn`t aware of Kev Brown but I`m sure you are right Richie.
And to the other poster who says why doesn`t Zak sign for Warrington.
Once again just because the players in their team want him to sign doesn't mean that the chairman does or they can fit him under the cap.
Zak prefers Wire but Wigan are prepared to take him so who knows where he will end up.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "As I’m obviously in favour of snorting coke? Are you high?'"
I see you have declined to answer your last missive, “ most top athletes are on something” then as you know this, pray tell me those who are not.
As for being high, probably was, at Wembley last year, but ‘‘twas the elixir of life”
Regards.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Thank you Jeff a much more reasoned and courteous response to my post, but I will stick to my guns, as memories fade, the likes of Billy Boston, Johnny Whitley, Eric Ashton, Alex Murphy, as good if not better than any around, tourists and true greats, never a sniff of wacky backy, nor the white powder, or any such drug, placed in any orifice, was needed.
Drugs cheats out, no excuses.'"
But taking cocaine is not cheating...
Also, you have no evidence that the players you've listed never took any illegal substances. In fact, since there was very little testing during that era, it's quite possible that some, or all, of the players you listed could have taken substances which would now be considered illegal.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Pie Eyed, your opinion is accepted and welcome, as I said as an owld git, I will state once again, drugs are not acceptable, whichever mode of chemical is being taken.'"
So no alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, anti-inflammatories, painkillers and so on?
The PEDs in a sport I can fully agree upon, however, non-performance enhancing recreational drugs? What happens if cannabis became legal here and effectively falls under the same rules as alcohol? If it's still banned in sport why? There are already cases in the US where this is happening. A legal substance leads to a ban but getting drunk doesn't.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Hello Nicky Kiss, please forgive my ignorance, is Cocain not deemed performance enhancing? I will be very surprised if it isn’t, as on the odd occasion I’ve had it at the dentist, I sit there laughing as he extracts my teeth.'"
Something used as an anesthetic is a performance enhancer? I'm pretty sure we can't measure performance enhancement by it making you laugh. Also made illegal in the UK in 1920, although ironically the UK is the worlds largest exporter of legal cocaine and heroin.
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| Quote: Jeff the God of Biscuits "But taking cocaine is not cheating...
Also, you have no evidence that the players you've listed never took any illegal substances. In fact, since there was very little testing during that era, it's quite possible that some, or all, of the players you listed could have taken substances which would now be considered illegal.'"
I never said I had any evidence Jeff. I accept times are different, and there are variants of drug chemistry which enhance or don’t, but will never endorse recreational drug use, or PED, while you are earning a living as a professional sportsman, you can dress it up as much as you want.
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| Quote: goobervision "Something used as an anesthetic is a performance enhancer? I'm pretty sure we can't measure performance enhancement by it making you laugh. Also made illegal in the UK in 1920, although ironically the UK is the worlds largest exporter of legal cocaine and heroin.'"
As a recipient of what we thought at the time was cocaine at the dentists in the sixties, if you are correct that it was banned in the U.K. in 1920, what exactly was injected Goobervision, another variant.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "I never said I had any evidence Jeff. I accept times are different, and there are variants of drug chemistry which enhance or don’t, but will never endorse recreational drug use, or PED, while you are earning a living as a professional sportsman, you can dress it up as much as you want.'"
Nobody is actively endorsing drug use. When Zak does play again, he will have served the relevant punishment he was given. This is not endorsement, in fact, it's the complete opposite.
Same with Chase & Minns [Should he receive a ban].
There is a vast chasm of difference between endorsing drug use and not discarding young men who made a mistake.
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "As a recipient of what we thought at the time was cocaine at the dentists in the sixties, if you are correct that it was banned in the U.K. in 1920, what exactly was injected Goobervision, another variant.'"
Laughing gass through an inhaler
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| Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Something used as an anesthetic is a performance enhancer? I'm pretty sure we can't measure performance enhancement by it making you laugh. Also made illegal in the UK in 1920, although ironically the UK is the worlds largest exporter of legal cocaine and heroin.'"
As a recipient of what we thought at the time was cocaine at the dentists in the sixties, if you are correct that it was banned in the U.K. in 1920, what exactly was injected Goobervision, another variant.'"Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "I never said I had any evidence Jeff. I accept times are different, and there are variants of drug chemistry which enhance or don’t, but will never endorse recreational drug use, or PED, while you are earning a living as a professional sportsman, you can dress it up as much as you want.'"
Nobody is actively endorsing drug use. When Zak does play again, he will have served the relevant punishment he was given. This is not endorsement, in fact, it's the complete opposite.
Same with Chase & Minns [Should he receive a ban].
There is a vast chasm of difference between endorsing drug use and not discarding young men who made a mistake.'"
When do you discard a player? Is a serial offender not in more need of support to tackle their issues? look were the choices of Scott Moore and Malcom Alker have taken them. Has RL let them down? Or is the level of support you get dependent on your RL playing talent?
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