Not at all, its not about taking a side, the majority of people have agreed with Dave in this thread but not one person has said how they disagree with him. When faced with comments such as "No point in auguring with you DaveO as you think your right all the time. Its just most of us on here know better " and your "Yet another "disagree with me and you're wrong" post from Dave!" what on earth is he supposed to do other than defend himself (resulting in an accusation of not taking criticism well)?

My very point is that it shouldn't be about 'Dave's posts as a whole' its about replying to what he's actually written in any given thread with your opinions. We couldn't be anymore different in our viewpoints on that. Just imagine for one second what it would be like for you having responses like the ones above every time you write anything! There's no defence for it without being open to further accusations. Dave was totally right about you jumping on the bandwagon.

At no point here have I just written, 'in my opinion' or 'I think' so I could be accused of 'Always thinking I'm right' which in itself is a totally ridiculous notion which is pretty difficult to respond to (as those who accuse it are generally fully aware) but people will be accused of it by those who disagree with their viewpoint. For example if I said 'Wigan were good last night, Maguire is doing a good job, Goulding had a good game' I doubt there'd be cries from people that I should clarify that I was expressing my opinion rather than a fact. We are lucky in spoken conversation that we have different tones, body language and facial expressions that clearly communicate our mood, attitude and feelings towards a given subject. Unfortunately when typing we have no such luxury, you have no idea whether my heart rate has increased while I am typing this because I am mad, if I have gone red in the face with rage or if I am writing this to pass a bit of time because I am nervous about a dental appointment I have coming up (if only I could get a dentist . You were right in that everyones opinions are valid and that includes Dave so all I'm saying is give the man a break.

I do feel sorry for you never mind it was not mean to be personal i was pointing out you think your always right which i think lots on here will agree with.
Last on the subject from me say what you like now i wont respond to you again.

I bet you do!!

Last I'll say

I know you were bud that's exactly what I'm getting at. On a forum you should be able to argue blue murder with someone in one thread and be offering to buy them a pint in another. Respond to posts and not to people otherwise you have an opinion formed about a person in your head and it will cloud your judgment about everything they write subsequently. Its a very hard trap to avoid and to get out of but I suggest you try putting any preconceptions aside in future and taking each post ANYONE writes on face value, even try reading it in your head whilst doing an impression of a jovial Irishman it will help you to read what the person is saying without any false impression of arrogance/anger etc. I've agreed with Dave's posts and disagreed with Dave's posts in pretty much equal measures there are regular posters who I suspect are far more guilty of the things Dave is accused of. I know Dave can handle it but I really don't know how he has the patience, there are plenty of threads that Dave doesn't post on for those who don't like his opinion to ignore, yet they choose to follow him around... beats me.

Was just going to post about it not being mentioned that it isnt maguires team!

After all we had that for 3 seasons from some on here! Its laughable, the excuses that were made for a poor coaching set up!

It has been mentioned indirectly.

Amos just needed time to settle in.
Nobby was right to stick with Piggy who's proving the doubters wrong.
Maguires selections are the same as Nobby's proving Nobby knew best.

Some people will never let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned Nobby Gobble.

If we put in great performances all season and finish in the top three only to get knocked out at the first opportunity in the playoffs some people will use this to say we have gone backwards under Maguire. Given the fact that people pay to watch rugby to be entertained we're already a better team imo. Trying to remember any memorable regular season games in recent years is a real struggle. After the last few seasons I'd see winning a trophy as a bonus but not the be all and end all.

As is being mentioned in another thread, the problem seems to be british coaches, Nobby is clearly the best UK coach around with Kear the only other of merit.

MM has come in, with the australian attitude and we are flying along with Hudds & Wire.

Having watched the highlights on the Super League website its clear the biggest different this season is a true team spirit. After each try the team runs up and congratulates eachother then walks off back to the lineup as a "squad" of players. A real sense of a group working for eachother.

All anyone ever posts on here when having a general discussion is a point of view. An opinion. Including me.

Who in their right mind reads anyone's posts on here as some kind of statement of fact?

That being the case why should anyone make out this is not the case with me?

As to belittling poeple that's ridiculous. And I don't think I have ever responded to a persons opinion on here about a RL topic with a post about [ithem[/i as opposed to the issue being debated either.

Dave

I have on individual posts where I felt it merited, but some of the criticism you have faced is totally uncalled for. In the last few years of reading your posts I have never seen you belittle anyone but when you blow someone's argument out of the water some people are unable to respond with anything other than insults.

Central Park's comment on Goulding's second try supports these comments.

It's going to be interesting to see if we do and what peoples reaction will be if we do. Some players may retire such as Bailey and Coley so there won't be any controversy there but we have other players off contract who aren't at the end of their careers who the coach may think he can do better by replacing and some of these could be crowd favourites.

If Maguire is ruthless we could well see popular players leave for players he thinks are better.

Dave

And quite right too.

Early days yet, but I suspect Feca might be one to go.

I think so to.

i get the feeling MM doesnt rate him much