I thought he was called useless or was it tit, or was it both?

I think the problem with predicting 3 or 4 year dynasties is that in sport, and particularly one like ours, there are just too many variables. Injuries, suspensions and even refereeing decisions now, more than ever, have the potential to completely alter the course of a season. If it was a 'first past the post' system we played I'd be more confident in predicting a dynasty but essentially all our trophies, apart from the LLS, are decided by cup finals and, as we know, anything can happen in a one-off game. Saints own dynasty would probably never have happened had Hardaker made that kick or even punted the ball up field in the 2020 final. Even then it needed a freak bounce of the ball for that win to happen.

I think the club are doing all the right things and putting itself in the best position for success going forward and the rest are definitely in a position of catch up now as the clean sweep of trophies attests. This is already a special team that knows how to win the big games and, as you said about your own success, we should just enjoy it while we can.

Having said all that I hope I can post in 3 more years and say "well Stu, it turns out you were right"

My favourite was his attempted "I'm a Wigan fan now" username which lasted all of 1 post before it was rumbled

No further action on either Cooper or Dufty. I should think so too!

time to resurrect the 'envyometer'......

Has anyone seen the player statistics from the final?

Quote Zig="Zig"Has anyone seen the player statistics from the final?'" Some key stats here bud. https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... rf-4659536 Anyone remember the dark days of guys like Clubb and Singleton racking up metre totals in the 20s and 30s?

Quote Zig="Zig"Has anyone seen the player statistics from the final?'" Some key stats here bud. https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... rf-4659536 Anyone remember the dark days of guys like Clubb and Singleton racking up metre totals in the 20s and 30s?

Quote MadDogg="MadDogg"Some key stats here bud. https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... rf-4659536 Anyone remember the dark days of guys like Clubb and Singleton racking up metre totals in the 20s and 30s?'" Thanks mate.

Quote MadDogg="MadDogg"Some key stats here bud. https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... rf-4659536 Anyone remember the dark days of guys like Clubb and Singleton racking up metre totals in the 20s and 30s?'" Thanks mate.

There are loads of positives in those stats but one thing that really jumps out to me is the contributions of Thompson, Havard and Ellis. You're lucky if you have one middle forward (hate using that term but will have to with Ellis playing at loose forward) capable of playing 80 minutes but we have these 3, all of which are ideal modern day forwards. They are absolute athletes, big but mobile, defensively fantastic and will test their opposite numbers by still being able to go as strong late in a stint (or late in a game if they do complete the 80 minutes) as they were at the start of it. We're so fortunate to be in a position that we have those 3 guys and can then just rotate around them.

I was reflecting on that and remembering when we were all (or nearley all

) were crying out for a more dominating pack. We now have an embarrassment of riches

Think we always knew Havard and Thompson could do 80 but Ellis doing it is an added bonus.

The fact these 3 can do massive minutes is why I would have opted for the versatility of Walters on the bench rather than 3 props. Byrne and Mago both played about 10 minutes if I remember correctly.

Didn’t matter in the end of course!

It was a gamble I felt leaving Walters out, especially with a really young second rower and centre starting, who he would've been able to cover for but luckily we had no problems. I've said before, I feel the best balance in every game we play will be 2 props, Walters and Leeming on the bench. I get the feeling Peet wanted the experience of Cooper and Byrne in the final and I fully understand that but I do hope he goes back to that balance going forward.