In his final year:

Most carries of any player in SL
2nd most assists of any centre in SL
2nd most assists of any Wigan player
2nd most metres of any Wigan player
Most tackles of any Wigan back

Massive contribution to us getting to, and winning, the Grand Final in 2016.

The game I named wasn't just any old game though was it? It was against the world's best, against whom he was excellent. He was also excellent in the Grand Final. So that might suggest he has more ability than you give him credit for.

Of course you are entitled to your 'opinion' but just slagging a player off because he wound you up in town doesn't really stack up against the evidence does it?

whitehead, hodgson, mcgilvary also shouldnt be going with your logic

The only time the guy wound me up was when he missed umpteen chances to pass and was incapable of doing so.
No gobshoite however big a gobshoite would wind me up around town.

A "superb" centre is Gene Miles. A great centre is Dean Bell. A good centre is George Carmont. Sarginson is a journey man at best and compare him against the 3 he wasn't fit to lace their boots

I couldn't have been happier when Sideways Sarge left. I can count on one hand the number of good games he had. It's all well and good putting stats up but he was crap. I bet he was up there for handling errors and penalties too. I was hoping Wane would have been gone before he had the chance to bring him back.

Also Itchy, i classed Dean Bell as a world class centre but didnt see Miles play. He must have been some player

Gene Miles was sublime.

Best centre I have ever seen, and been watching Wigan since the late 1950's. He was the reason why Offiah got all those tries in that season.

Amazing off-load and very strong and that particular season he was never fully fit I recall he missed quite a few games . Pity he was at the tail end of his career and only here for a short time- an amazing player.

The best centre that I have ever seen in a cherry and white shirt.
I think the closest in recent memory to Miles would be Jamie Lyons at Saints.
A big guy who could mix it but was also extremely gifted with ball in hand. When I see all of these southsea islanders playing big time Charlies at centre I often think that they just have brawn and very little brains.
For me rugby is initially all about intimidating your opposition but you need skill when your opposition matches your aggression.
Really good centres are like rocking horse shoite and today's coaches think you can play virtually anyone there albeit, it's probably one the hardest positions to play really well. The analogy I tend to use for rugby centres is a 400 metre hurdler where you need, power, strength aligned with plenty of skill.

That's really unfair to Offiah! Miles was indeed majestic but Offiah certainly contributed a heck of a lot to his try scoring exploits. He only played 1 season with Miles and scored 60+ tries 3 seasons in a row! Those were the days.....

One of the worse posts I've read in a while. Shenton shouldn't be picked to play for England in 2017, after excellent 2017 because of a lesser spell at Saints in 2011-12.

I posted on Facebook last night, people bagging Tomkins and saying he's been poor since he came back should look at Ratchfords stats. He scored one try all season before the split for them to play in the middle 8's and finished with 5 overall, after playing against London, Fev, Halifax etc. I've always thought of him as a player who is vastly overrated tbh. He's one of those players who looks good, decent footwork, decent hands, decent pace etc but ultimately we're still waiting for that season which makes you go 'yeah Ratchford has kicked on and is now a top level player'.

Decent super league player but it's worrying that we're going to a World Cup with it looking like he's our first choice fullback.

Exactly. As disappointing as ST has been he's still superior to Ratchford.

I think Ratchford is in there as a utility though, easier to stick him at centre or on the wing than it is with S.Tomkins

I wouldn't want Ratchford in either of those positions against the big teams though TBH, would prefer a back row like Bateman or Currie filling in. Really, it should have been Tomkins in for Brown as he can cover the halves as well as FB and Makinson over Ratchford but i guess we will have to trust Bennett's judgement now.