lmao

So criticising a below average player is now having an "agenda" against him?

It was a questionable signing to say the least and sadly, a year later I have been proven correct.

No. For example, saying that the two best pieces of play last night only happened simply because the opportunities presented themselves (that could be said about any piece of creativity - it takes someone to actually take advantage of it) and therefore didn't warrant praise might be argued to have been agenda driven.

Just like pointing out criticising a below average player is ok without actually taking account of their performance might also be argued to be agenda driven.

HTH.

Tonight Leeds played on the advantage line, and perhaps, should have been pulled up more than they were for forward passes, but we were playing from a couple of yards back making defence relatively easy. We did not give ourselves the chance.
We looked plodding, look at the pass for the interception, it was as though the decision to pass had been made several tackles earlier. Only Andy Powell looked to be capable of thinking on his feet and no one was looking for it.
Lastly we suffered from not having a back on the bench. Sam Powell could have covered both hooker and in the backs. Even Gelling would offer a bit more.

IMO Last night Leeds came onto the ball from depth at pace, forced themselves across the tackle line creating better go forward.
Our attack was flat, had no pace and we were stopped on the tackle line. It wasn't only predictable ( other than the three obvious occasions) it was slow, like preseason warm up.
Lastweek against Hull our attack was exciting and fun to watch
Never mind, It's been a good season, we aren't out of it yes and Sams leaving so we may try some other attacking plays next year.

A lot of our problems lie in the smaller parts of the game. In defence we are very quick in making a tackle and getting set at marker. This avoids penalties but there is no wrestling tactics by Wigan which makes the dummy-halves job a lot easier against us. Look at what position our players are in when getting up to play the ball in respect to the opposition. This then negates a lot of what Michael McIlorum & Logan Tomkins can do in making cheap gains and further hampers our dummy runs which last night didn't seem to exist. This then puts far more pressure on our halves who don't have the time to get the balls out wide. We regularly played the ball quickly last night and Sam came into the line only to find the Leeds line had kept up with the play. If we do that we have to run down the middle and that becomes a bigger challenge.

Add to that our backs taking the balls in for cheap yards and somehow gaining none (We had three quick PTB's in a row last night with no markers set by Leeds & still had to kick from our own half) and our awful kicking game and its no wonder we are poor. Unless we get the tactics spot on regarding the small things we will never be in a position to challenge top quality sides with good defensive structures like Leeds, Warrington & Huddersfield

Wane needs to take a risk and go with Hampshire at 6 IMO

Seriously?

Wane signed Green and will not drop him.
Last night we lost it in the pack.
Our back three in the forwards of Hansen, Farrell & Flower/Tuson do not have the size, power or skill to overpower most opposition teams let alone Leeds with Peacock in their number.
We need bigger men in the back three to get on top of opposition teams and until we do it will be a struggle.
As for Shaun Wane not being concerned about our form, well he must be the only one who isn't.

Peacock is a prop and one of the primary roles of the opposing props is to take care of him and not leave it to the back row.
During the last few weeks I have thought that Hanson has tackled himself into the ground and it is only tonight that I have wondered why.
When you watch the Wigan defence on our right you will see time and time again Goulding and then Charnley having to drift inside to cover. This in my opinion is because Hanson has to do far more tackling than Farrell on the left because he himself has to come inside to tackle big forwards who drift to their left.

I may not have explained my feelings that well but it is just that Farrell seems to be able to stay that bit wider than Hanson and thereby protect the flanks more.

It seems to be an old problem ,Wigan do not seem to be able in defence to slide to their right as well as they slide to the left.

Wane signed Green and will not drop him.

Sadly you are probably right.

Last night we lost it in the pack.

Maybe, but our backs offered nothing with the ball they got

Our back three in the forwards of Hansen, Farrell & Flower/Tuson do not have the size, power or skill to overpower most opposition teams let alone Leeds with Peacock in their number.

Farrell spent more than half the game in the backs. Hansen is a solid defensive player. Tuson punches above his weight (but needs to, as he is small for a forward).

We need bigger men in the back three to get on top of opposition teams and until we do it will be a struggle.

As for Shaun Wane not being concerned about our form, well he must be the only one who isn't.

Shaun Wane tells pork pies. If you listen to his comments BEFORE the cup final, all players are fully fit. AFTER the cup final there were players playing who shouldn't have. Now at least one of these statments is false.

You can argue with the need, but you cannot argue with the facts. The only logical conclusion is that you cannot believe anything Shaun Wane says.

Not sure if this is directed at me, but if it was:

I said that Greens performance was better than normal............but still falls short on what I would expect from a Wigan number 6.

HTH.

I would play all four of Green, Smith, Sam Tomkins & Hampshire, and also put Sam Powell on the bench against Huddersfield. Doesn't matter what positions we tag these players with, get them on the pitch and try and score more points than the opposition.

The pack were second best, they were turned over and pushed back in the tackle, the backs were playing against a set defence for most of game.

The attack was looking laboured up to and inc the CC final so to see them come up short against Leeds was no surprise. The coaching team have their work cut out to get some much needed energy into the team before Thurs. if the pack cannot stand up to the Giants then another week of slagging off the Green and co will fill the board.

This, this and this. If your pack cant at least hold their own then looking for faults elsewhere is inconsequential really. I have never seen a team come close to winning when the pack was dominated like ours was against Leeds.As many have mentioned I thought Green had a shocker too and did 2 of the worst grubber kicks that I have ever seen, never mind the interception, but all the backs were on an hiding to nothing when the forwards cant even get away from their own try line and cant dominate in the tackle.