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Quote: moto748 "All that's true, NK. And yet, we can't give tickets away...'"


To be honest that’s partly why I started this thread. A little shocked to see the apathy and lack of discussion about England playing the World Cup Finalists at Wigan.

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And ironically, the fact that it's on the telly doesn't help.

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Bateman over Nsemba. Joy.

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Quote: Jason65 "This is what I don't understand,fans moan that there isnt enough international games and that RL do not get the exposure it deserves and yet a great fixture like this should fill a stadium the size of Wigan's.

Lets hope there is more than the 15,000 as predicted.
Get behind the boy's and get to the game.'"

What was the total today.

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Quote: Ashton Bears "What was the total today.'"


Around 15,500.
Bateman is now a spent force,should go with Nsemba next game,Matty Ashton great winger no doubt,just give Marshall a game just to see what he can do (with my Wigan hat on).

Not a bad game,we need more internationals and more fans buying into them.

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Anyone going to Leeds? Is the train a realistic option? It's a bit of haul to drive. Coaches take forever, and I'm not sure if Mayfair are doing them, there's nothing on their website.

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Nsemba should’ve been nailed on to play. Have to say, walking to the ground and I found out he wasn’t playing, on top of already knowing Wardle was missing and Thompson being banned, it really dampened the enthusiasm I had for the game. Nsemba is a marketable phenom we should be proud to have in the game and one that we need to get behind, not someone like Bateman who should be put out to pasture with a few others.

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Quote: DannyT "Nsemba should’ve been nailed on to play. Have to say, walking to the ground and I found out he wasn’t playing, on top of already knowing Wardle was missing and Thompson being banned, it really dampened the enthusiasm I had for the game. Nsemba is a marketable phenom we should be proud to have in the game and one that we need to get behind, not someone like Bateman who should be put out to pasture with a few others.'"


I totally understand the selection today. I was disappointed Nsemba wasn’t picked but I get why and to be fair I think it was one of Batemans better performances.

We are in danger of fast tracking Nsemba and looking at the bigger picture he’s played 3/4 or a season and this is his first time in an England camp.

His time will come, maybe next week, or maybe next year let him develop, which he still has a lot to do.

Bateman brought his usual bit of niggle that was needed against the Samoan team.

Ashton and Young are nailed on starting wingers now if they are fit and rightly so. I wouldn’t swap Marshall for Ashton at club level but at international level I think Ashton is better suited, I actually had him as my MOTM today. Thought Farnworth, Radley and Havard were very good too.

Wane I think got his tactics and team selection right I’d expect to see Thompson next week but other than that if everyone is fit I’d be ok with same again.

Very enjoyable afternoon.

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Quote: jonh "I totally understand the selection today. I was disappointed Nsemba wasn’t picked but I get why and to be fair I think it was one of Batemans better performances.

We are in danger of fast tracking Nsemba and looking at the bigger picture he’s played 3/4 or a season and this is his first time in an England camp.

His time will come, maybe next week, or maybe next year let him develop, which he still has a lot to do.

Bateman brought his usual bit of niggle that was needed against the Samoan team.

Ashton and Young are nailed on starting wingers now if they are fit and rightly so. I wouldn’t swap Marshall for Ashton at club level but at international level I think Ashton is better suited, I actually had him as my MOTM today. Thought Farnworth, Radley and Havard were very good too.

Wane I think got his tactics and team selection right I’d expect to see Thompson next week but other than that if everyone is fit I’d be ok with same again. Havard was superb and it was very clear we had no ruck control when he was off.

Very enjoyable afternoon.'"


In a two-test series Nsemba should be playing, he needs exposing to that level of physicality. I don’t disagree with what you say in the main, I just think he’s risen to such a level so quickly that it should be rewarded. Farnworth and Wardle would be an exceptional centre pairing and I’d look forward to Havard and Thompson being the starting front rowers next week.

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England look very strong going forward aside from maybe looking a little lightweight upfront. At international level you need size and power in the front row and that's the one area where we've taken a dip after having Graham, Walmsley and the Burgess family available to us. On the plus side, Lees and Havard are very durable and solid defenders.

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Quote: MadDogg "England look very strong going forward aside from maybe looking a little lightweight upfront. At international level you need size and power in the front row and that's the one area where we've taken a dip after having Graham, Walmsley and the Burgess family available to us. On the plus side, Lees and Havard are very durable and solid defenders.'"


Havard played well, Lees was probably the smallest prop on the pitch and held his own, Burgess is past his best.

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Is Wardle available for Leeds? Thompson in that side would be a massive boost. I'll be interested as always to watch the game back, but it struck me afterwards that I don't recall seeing too much from the very highly rated Nanai? What did you guys think?

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Quote: moto748 "Is Wardle available for Leeds? Thompson in that side would be a massive boost. I'll be interested as always to watch the game back, but it struck me afterwards that I don't recall seeing too much from the very highly rated Nanai? What did you guys think?'"

Wardle isn’t available

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I feel like this England team has done a complete flip from where they were a decade ago.

Ten years ago, we had some of the best forwards in the world but our backline was severely lacking.
Ten years on, we have electric and exciting backs, but our forwards are nowhere near where they used to be; except in the second row with KPP and Nsemba. They still did the job and did it well. I just can't help but wonder how powerful the England side would be if we had the same forwards today. Can you imagine the Burgess brothers, Graham, Lockers etc combined with this generation's backs?

Still, this is a strong England team despite missing a few key players, and I'm genuinely excited for the future. Although I find some of Wane's selections questionable, to the point where I questioned his capability, I'm confident he's the right person for the job after watching that game tonight. Some of the rugby put on show was great, from both teams. Looking forward to the two games.

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I think some opposition fans are realising now that Wane isn't Wigan biased, he's just extremely loyal to players who've done well for him in the past and that leads to guys like Hill getting in the squad and Nsemba not getting a spot in the team, while players who've not had their best years, such as Burgess, McMeekan and Bateman get in. I've not real issue with it in the main, you can never pick an international side solely on form but certain players absolutely smash the door down and make it impossible not to pick them and Nsemba has done that. It wouldn't be Bateman I'd have been looking at to leave out, it would've been one of Knowles or McMeekan on the bench and I'd have used Nsemba to cause some chaos alongside Mickey Lewis. You don't need two grafting loose forwards in your 17, especially when your starting loose forward is comfortably the best one in the squad but you could use Knowles at prop if you're desperate to get him in.

Outside of the Nsemba stuff though I was happy enough with it all. Both sides will be better for the run out but we're looking good. That England backline is as good as anything we've had for a long while.

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