I thought Sutton was pretty good but in the main I agree. The starting two are the big issue. I don't think there's a lack of effort from Flower or Nuuausala but for whatever reason it's just not happening.

May be just my impression but it seems for the last couple of seasons our props have coasted through the first two thirds of the season and then turned up to play at the business end.
Tactics to keep them fresh for when it matters ?
Puts everybody else under pressure to perform though.

TT has been superb.
The biggest disappointment for me is that Navarrete showed a lot of promise in his games this year, so there is no excuse to continue to play FPN and Benny (and Clubb before he was injured) when we could give them a kick up the and put in a guy who would not let us down.
To me, that missing a trick, and if I was RN, I would be wondering what has to happen to get a game.

Flower - solid as always, he normally comes good business end of the year.

FPN - started slow last year, was really killing it towards the grand final run. Expected big things after a full preseason but he's not impressed yet.

Clubb - hope his injured is okay.

Sutton- impressed today needs more minutes

Tautai - one of our top 3 performers this year. Contract up at the end of the season.

Navarrete - impressive so far with limited action

Breatherton - doesn't seem athletic enough, think Crosby and Sutton at his age were ahead of him.

If we keep the 4 some of Flower, FPN, Tautai and Sutton fit and FPN gets better I'm sure we'll be fine.

Thought it was just me when discussing the state of our props..FPN is lacking that something for me he has everything when you look at him but i don't know it isnt coming together for me at least.

Flower has been average for awhile now,not sure why he has the fan club he has but for me he's coasting through putting,as others have said pressure on others to perform in his place.

Clubb is Clubb along with TT the best of them,young Naverette still to early to tell if he's going to make the grade,apart from the horror show of an injury list i doubt we would have even seen him yet,Sutty is coming along but needs more time on the pitch for my money.

I agree with this 100%,the last 3/4 years our props have been poor for the majority of the season then pulled it together at the business end of the season.God knows why/how but that's what's happened,I'm hoping for the same this year,

Clubb wont be playing for a while yet so there will be the chance for someone else to step up.

I have mentioned before the props have not had much injury trouble but we been have been being beaten in this area. Only Sutton out for a while and in the meantime only Tauati earning his money. Not sure what has happened to FPN. I thought he looked a bit unfit last season when he arrived but was even so adding that extra bit of aggression to the pack we needed. With an off-season with Wigan I thought we had a Craig Smith MkII on our hands. Flower and Clubb have not impressed either.

FPN is sadly following the same pattern shown at a couple of previous clubs - strong start then descends into laziness. I hope our coaching staff can snap him out of it.

I think the props more then anyone are suffering a bit of a hangover from the Cronulla game and they look a little jaded from having to cover the back row in the absence of Bateman, Lockers and Farrell in the past month or so.

When the time comes to switch on they will do, they always do but we could do with a lift of intensity (especially in defence) in the meantime. We could really do with Tautai staying on though, he's been very good this past 18 months.

I think they need to snap out of their lethargy a bit quicker than that. We need to keep adding league points to the board and we will have Challenge Cup games soon. We could draw SL opposition in that. If Tautai can do it (and also Sutton who looks up for it) then FPN. Clubb and Flower need to up their game.

I'm going to disagree as I think the Props are playing to a game plan set out by Wane. We rely on our outside backs to make yards and our Props to damage the opposition in defence.

Tautai comes on and causes mayhem for 10 minutes then is pretty anonymous. Flower is never going to rack up big yards due to his size but he is an absolute machine in defence.

FPN probably underperforming but I expect his stats willl surprise a few when they are published.

Even defensively they've not been great recently. Sutton was caught out at least once yesterday, Frank was at fault for not pushing over for Saints' last try and Cas had a field day going up the middle last week.

I think the props are struggling partly due to our injuries elsewhere.

We rely a lot on the outside backs to come in and do some of the carrying for the big lads, and with the injuries and unfamiliar personnel in these backs, maybe the props have not been supported as much?

Tautai has certainly been the stand out prop in the side though. Really making yards and driving it up with aggression.

well Ive just looked at the stats and a few things stand out from the pack:

Faz - his stats are by far the most consistent - tackles, yards. errors - good in all
JT - poor all round. poor yards, high errors, lots of missed tackles.

Props
TT shading everyone in all categories.
FPN good yards but lots of errors and missed tackles.
Clubb and Flower - distinctly average all round.
Sutton - solid but not making many yards.
Navarette - good promise. Better all round that TC and BF.

I think those figures pretty much bear up what people have seen on the field.